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PA30 crash lands in Villejuif, Paris

Old 5th Dec 2023, 07:52
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PA30 crash lands in Villejuif, Paris

https://www.aerobuzz.fr/aviation-gen...e-a-villejuif/


80 year old instructor and pupils 28,29 injured after reporting technical issues and landing in road before crashing in to apartment building.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67620792
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Close call indeed

That was a very close call indeed. Amazing anyone survived this one!
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Trying to understand how they ended up over Villejuif. I’m guessing a STAR? But that would be a hold or point south east of the airport, and they were coming in from the Northwest. I guess they could have been doing practice approaches, since the instructor was an MEIR instructor
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Found it on flight radar. I hope the 3 people recover. I cannot fathom might might have caused a dual engine failure other than fuel starvation. Perhaps it was a single engine failure and they flew it to the crash site, as is sometimes the case with these underpowered pistons.

lots of perhaps in my posts. I’ll shut up now

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Don't want to open a can of worms but 80 yo instructor ?
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Don't want to open a can of worms but 80 yo instructor ?
actually he is 82 and and well know in France Aeronautic circles . Jean PierreTrimaille. Quite experienced too .
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...but 80 yo instructor ?
My first reaction also, but on second thought, have seen people turning 70 (even yesterday, a -retired- cardiologist) ready for a care home and on the other end, 80+ yo I wouldn't start a fight with...
Celebrated his 40.000hr milestone earlier this year, it seems
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Don't want to open a can of worms but 80 yo instructor ?
Perhaps his experience is what saved them?!
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Perhaps his experience is what saved them?!
undoubtedly will have played a part in it, but in the last second before impact, they had a great deal of luck. Putting the cabin pretty intact between a wall and a building, smashing the right wing to pieces, with the tail, as a perfect crumple zone, smashing on the wall. And the nose held in place with the help of the X-mas tree

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Wonder what the weather conditions were, with that part of Europe transitioning on Monday from a pretty cold and snowy period, to freeze free days as from Tuesday.
They had been flying at FL80 from a while it seems, followed by a stable descent, until things went south. Not sure what kit was onboard if icing conditions were inadvertently entered. On the few photo's after it's 2020 overhaul and repaint, not much of such a kit can be seen on the plane.
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Originally Posted by atakacs
Don't want to open a can of worms but 80 yo instructor ?
What has that got to do with it?

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Perhaps his experience is what saved them?!
Very likely.
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Originally Posted by funkydreadlocks
Trying to understand how they ended up over Villejuif. I’m guessing a STAR? But that would be a hold or point south east of the airport, and they were coming in from the Northwest. I guess they could have been doing practice approaches, since the instructor was an MEIR instructor
Yes, it is one of the standard IFR approaches to Toussus Le Noble , but, yes...idiotic given GPS approaches to have one that is over populated areas like that for light aircraft that have no need to fly an outbound 20 NM leg before reversing course.
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Tere is a video with images of the plane and an interview (in french) of the pilot that I will partly translate :
Since I'm new to the forum I cannot post URL so you can google "Atterrissage en urgence d'un avion à Villejuif : l’incroyable sang-froid du pilote france info" for the details :

"We have the right engine that started to loose power.
The student thought that I was faking a failure as I keep faking failures during training flights
and then the second engine started to loose power as well.
This is exceptional...., it cannot happen... well it does.
I identified a platform so we flew toward and reached it.
The luck made that the right wing touched the side of the building
and induced a spin to the aircraft that came to rest on a small wall
and absorbed all the kinetic energy that would most probably have killed us
if we had taken the wall in front.
It is a pride to have saved the lives of people underneath us and of the
two students...and also of mine."
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Great video Caribou78, thanks for finding it.

https://www.tf1info.fr/justice-faits...-2278515.html#
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So, no fire after two engines cease running and most every part opened like a can of tuna?
Methinks someone thought someone else was supposed to fill it with gas.
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Originally Posted by MechEngr
So, no fire after two engines cease running and most every part opened like a can of tuna?
Methinks someone thought someone else was supposed to fill it with gas.
The lack of fire might point to that?
Engine failure: A situation that occurs when all fuel tanks become totally filled with air.
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Hi Del Prado thanks for the link. It is also interesting, but the translation I put was from this video http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-div...e_6233430.html (removed the leading part of the URL)
where the pilot himself is describing the situation.
I like the animation in the TF1 video though.
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Originally Posted by caribou78
hi del prado thanks for the link. It is also interesting, but the translation i put was from this video http://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-div...e_6233430.html (removed the leading part of the url)
where the pilot himself is describing the situation.
I like the animation in the tf1 video though.
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Originally Posted by MechEngr
So, no fire after two engines cease running and most every part opened like a can of tuna?
Methinks someone thought someone else was supposed to fill it with gas.
Yes my first thought too but the pilot/FI said "loss of power" (perte de puissance) not "engine failure" , on one engine and he also said that the student (PF) thought it was an action by the instructor . That bring another possibility in the possible scenarios., of switching off the wrong engine .But we'll see when the report is out . Lucky escape that's for sure.
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