Manchester-3

[Rutan16]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

What's Air Canada at LHR got to do with MAN? It's not as if we can blame bmi for feeding AC anymore out of MAN via LHR. There have been four daily year round LHR-YYZ flights for years, mostly on point to point traffic but with some connections to STAR partners, almost none of which impact on MAN. The old VFR frequencies are gone forever as the old market died and the new one has plenty more options. The better comparison is surely DUB, which today has year round A330/B787 service from YYZ and that's up against Aer Lingus. That's a stronger business market and a much stronger Canada originating market (I think).

Skip sort of that's the point isn't it . Air Canada did indeed do the deal with BMi to feed Manchester and Glasgow over said hub.
Through now seem to consider the regions hardly worth a coconut .
Differing story apparently in our close neighbour !
Just doesn't seem to add up to me.
Interesting statistic's from Destination Canada (Federal web site) in 1986 there were 696,000 UK visitors in 2018 792,000.
So the myth that visitors have declined massively doesn't stack up, rather quite the contrary ! (Visitors to central Canada have collapsed through)
Cross reference visitor type and dynamics maybe have changed .
Simply put this clearly demonstrates traffic has been diverted via the Hub even now with the domestics being put on BA or over Frankfurt !
There are also significant numbers routing over Amsterdam (Long have done so) or via Dublin today.

I amn't sure the business case for SLF traffic into Dublin is that much stronger, through freight transfer into the single market will be so..
I know my company has received shipments from Montreal via Dublin (small flat packs) in the past.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

It doesn't add up, if stronger demand was there once bmi went away, Transat or Westjet would have mopped it up. They didn't. The Rouge service was a summer peak seasonal leisure service, so there's a different driver at work in market. BA's BAU on LHR-YYZ was 2 x daily with a LGW leisure summer service pre COVID, Air Canada were four daily at LHR with Rouge at LGW one year too. That's a very strong London offering, but anyone from the Manchester area has a BA connection option but Air Canada was cut off from the local market. I suppose they might be toe dipping to see if more than a summer option might work? Almost no one is connecting MAN-LHR-YYZ on Air Canada though, and FRA is a good option if you need to connect I suppose. Same with United, both walked away.

BTW those nos show a 13% increase in 32 years, that's underperforming massively vs. wider market.

[chaps1954]

Air Transat are running at present but have released most of their fleet of A330s and Westjet were due to start in 2020 but of course reasons caused them to cancel

[MAN2SIN2BKK2FRA]

Originally Posted by chaps1954

Market has changed in last few years, the days of 3 or 4 Wardair + CP Air and Air Canda has gone at Manchester and most other cities in the UK.

Shame, gone are the Fridays with Wardair flights to Toronto, Vancouver, Edmonton/Calgary and Winnipeg

[A340600MAN]

Hi

Prior to the pandemic Luxair were thought to be returning to Manchester with their Dash 8's. Any info on a possible return in Summer 2022?

El Al ... I've read nothing about a possible return of their B738's. Any news?

Regards

Len

[MANFAN]

Has the night stop Lufthansa Frankfurt flight stopped? I noticed the last few nights only the Munich flight is operating…

[chaps1954]

It seems to vary as there was an afternoon flight, however Lufthansa have dropped 32,000 flights over next couple of months worldwide as Germany have put a lot of restrictions on
entering the country hopefully to be lifted soon as they see cases in UK dropping.
Having seen the figures for mainland Europe(France nearly 500,000 and Germany well over 100, 000 and Italy 250,000) looks as if Boris did get it right.

[Sober Lark]

No problem entering Germany if you're vaccinated. Just fill out a form and that's it.

[chaps1954]

Yes there is my son has just gone and only accepted on special exemption on UK flights at present

[DomyDom]

Originally Posted by chaps1954

It seems to vary as there was an afternoon flight, however Lufthansa have dropped 32,000 flights over next couple of months worldwide as Germany have put a lot of restrictions on
entering the country hopefully to be lifted soon as they see cases in UK dropping.
Having seen the figures for mainland Europe(France nearly 500,000 and Germany well over 100, 000 and Italy 250,000) looks as if Boris did get it right.

Nothing to do with Boris really. Once infection rates in the country are such that border controls are no longer effective there is no reason to keep them. Its just that the UK infection curve was earlier than the others so it made sense to drop entry controls quicker in the UK. France and Germany have now also dropped most of theirs. I think they all went on longer than needed but thats just my opinion and at least we are going in the right direction of travel now. Lets hope things keep improving and we can look forward to a better end of winter and then spring and summer.

[chaps1954]

When did Germany drop theirs as it was still in force on Monday morning as I say my son and his 30 collegues had to get an excemption to fly

[BA318]

Originally Posted by chaps1954

When did Germany drop theirs as it was still in force on Monday morning as I say my son and his 30 collegues had to get an excemption to fly

The restriction was lifted on 4th January.

[DP.]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

That's a very strong London offering, but anyone from the Manchester area has a BA connection option but Air Canada was cut off from the local market. I suppose they might be toe dipping to see if more than a summer option might work? Almost no one is connecting MAN-LHR-YYZ on Air Canada though

I'd like to see a good Canada service from Manchester, but the Rouge or Transat options haven't really appealed for quite a while. My last Canada trip pre-Covid was to YVR, routing back from YYZ, and found BA from LHR to be the best option. The only snag with it was that the MAN-LHR outbound leg was adding something like £220 each to the ticket, so with us having absolutely zero time pressure, we got a couple of cheap first class tickets down to Euston and a taxi out to LHR. It still ended up being the best option on both cost and comfort (A380 on the LHR-VYR leg).

[CabinCrewe]

I’m guessing MAN VS couldn't do anything extra with the frame now EDI-BGI being canned in a few weeks?

[Mr A Tis]

I tend to agree with DP. I have used Rouge premium eco many times, at best it's a bit ropey. Time keeping is poor, no IFE- only downloads. Never more than 6 in Prem eco whenever I've used. However, in 2016 mainline operated the service for about 2 weeks, whilst some Rouge 763s were on maintenance. The mainline AC 763 business class was full.
Like many, I've opted several times the AMS or LHR route rather than take the Rouge product. My destination is usually YUL so LHR/AMS can make sense. Nonetheless I think there is demand for a better premium Canadian service.

[MAN777]

Kuwait airways for MAN ?

This was on twitter this morning.

[QUOTEKuwait Airways OPS MAN Kuwait Airways - Kuwait City to Manchester. Flights start 3 May 2022 KU113 KWI 2245-0400+1 MAN (Tue & Sat) KU114 MAN 0500-1340 KWI (Wed & Sun) Flights operated on Airbus A320 aircraft Many thanks Sean M @SeanM1997 twitter[/QUOTE]

[MANFAN]

I attended a jobs fair this morning held by MAG online, good to see so many positions available ready for the summer schedule.
Jet2 and Ryanair were also conducting a presentation on their open vacancies...I was surprised not to see Easyjet initially, but after looking at their careers website, I notice majority of their open positions are currently at Luton and Gatwick, so my assumption was they already have sufficient staff for their MAN base...

During the airport lounges and MAG presentations, it was stated by the respective presenters that the lounge in T3 would be open in the "summer" and T3 would be open in March. I have not seen any confirmation from MAN/MAG, so I don't take this completely at face value, however, I'm sure these people are in the know already, so very good new if indeed true...
I imagine R2 (23L/05R) will also be open in time for the summer schedule as well, the current NOTAM for single runway ops expires end of Feb (I think).

Hopefully 2022 is THE year for change...

[HOVIS]

Originally Posted by MAN777

This was on twitter this morning.

[QUOTE[color=#383a3b]Kuwait Airways OPS MAN Kuwait Airways - Kuwait City to Manchester. Flights start 3 May 2022 KU113 KWI 2245-0400+1 MAN (Tue & Sat) KU114 MAN 0500-1340 KWI (Wed & Sun) Flights operated on Airbus A320 aircraft Many thanks Sean M @SeanM1997 twitter

[/QUOTE]

Am I reading that right?
STA 04:00z
STD 05:00z
That's a quick turn round for a long haul flight, even for a 320.

[MAN777]

[QUOTE][/

Am I reading that right?
STA 04:00z
STD 05:00z
That's a quick turn round for a long haul flight, even for a 320.QUOTE]


Those timings remind me of a Southwest Airlines Red-Eye special !

Think I will stick with the ME 3

[Gordon_uk3]

Ls the Kuwait not a 25 hour turnaround. it says inbound Tues outbound weds?