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Old 20th May 2021, 07:42
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But would it be more profitable (or less loss-making) than keeping aircraft on the ground, and employees on Govt furlough ?
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Old 20th May 2021, 11:31
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What happens if in the next couple of weeks, those countries within the EU close there borders to the UK because of the Indian variant, as it did with the Kent variant.
You will all then be saying it was the sensible one, will you not?
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Old 20th May 2021, 12:07
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Agreed, I think there’s been a tendency to compare as like for like when in fact every different organisation has its own relatively unique idiosyncrasies. Would it not put Jet2 in a precarious position if they were to scramble for business in a relatively unknown territory away from their business model, against experienced organisations already squeezed by limited demand and operability?

I think it goes without saying that all operators, along with all of us on here, would like this whole thing to be over and done with and some certainty to resume. Time will tell if Jet2 bosses have made the right call. Just hoping for no further redundancies in this industry!
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Old 3rd Jun 2021, 22:21
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Jet2 restart pushed back to July 1st and even further for Turkey (July 22nd), with the exception of UK territory Jersey which will resume on June 24 as planned.
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Old 4th Jun 2021, 08:47
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Looks like Jet2 have done exactly the right thing with regards to their restart strategy, despite doing exactly the opposite to their competition.
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Old 4th Jun 2021, 09:33
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Another example of their shrewd business acumen...Their distrust of politicians has allowed them to make the correct call again, others have not been so lucky. That said my heart goes out to all connected with the Aviation Industry at this time. It must be hell for them and their families.
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Old 5th Jun 2021, 09:23
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No idea as to an allusion to shrewdness of business sense could be levelled at Jet2 for following quite simple logic of putting the government travel restrictions into place. I love Jet2 and can't wait for them to get back into the air, but please don't compound some thoughts that they are a well funded and brilliantly run company, that's utter nonsense. My biggest fear is that they do not survive due to their business model, which is not their fault in any way, no one could of foreseen such a catastrophic effect on a major holiday airline business.

Lets be sensible here and just accept the fact that various companies are having to deal with ridiculous waving government guidelines for travel and not start adoring the management of one company as though they are the prophets of future aviation.
The government are not the messiah either, looks to me more like they are just naughty boys.
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Old 5th Jun 2021, 09:37
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No adoration from me, but then I understand business and how it works. You have to look at how they`ve worked it right from the inception buying up the old Ansett fleet, steady expansion. They started package tours when others said they were`nt shrewd and would fail. They didn`t. They ring fenced their clients funds when others didnt, so they can do refunds without bringing the company down. They invested in self handling home and overseas. I could go on, but I would say I admire O`Leary more. He`s the consumate hard headed business type. Those people I understand.
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Old 6th Jun 2021, 13:41
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I think you will find Jet2 are well funded and very well run. They have been consistently praised by the public for the way they have handled cancellations and refunds from the off. Jet2 do not count customers cash as their own until their holiday or trip is completed. As for their business model, they are not exposed to expensive leases on fancy new jets or cruise liners. Neither do they own or lease empty hotels around the globe. My view is that they will emerge from COVID probably better placed financially than anyone else.
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Old 8th Jun 2021, 08:20
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Jet2 has about a Billion pounds of cash that they have raised in the bank and still have customer cash held seperately as well.
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Old 27th Jun 2021, 12:33
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Thanks to the latest UK Government Green list, it looks like they well need it. After talking to a few friends at Jet2, they don't have any info on return to service. Mushrooms and Dark places comes to mind.
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Old 27th Jun 2021, 16:20
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There may be company's faring worse than j2 and some better, but all are doing better at communicating with their employees. That's according to employees in various departments that I've spoken to recently. The silence is deafening apparently.

Strange that a company that's built a reputation for customer relations doesn't seem to treat its staff in the same way?
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Old 27th Jun 2021, 16:41
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Well the Sim complex is going full tilt in Bradford so it looks like plenty are in the know. And looking at the prices for flights next week to Ibiza they seem to be able to charge a small fortune.
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Old 27th Jun 2021, 17:34
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Every sim building in the country is going “full tilt”. That’s what happens when there are so few pilots flying they need simulator sessions just to stay current.

I too have spoken to friends at Jet2 who are speaking a lot less positively of the company than many of the PPRuNe fanboys. But what would they know.
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Old 27th Jun 2021, 19:02
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Out of curiosity how many sims are there in the J2 Training centre? I believe 3 at last count, but stand to be corrected, of course they have 3 types of Boeing's, crew will need to alternate between the Classic and NG, then there is the 757.

Lets face it every sim in Europe is going full tilt and has been for several months now. I should know I spend a large amount of my life in various 737 sims around the UK and Europe, for example the Irish lads have 6 or 7 sims in STN alone plus a couple of Max's, several at East mids and several centres booked up around Europe for their crew, but they do have 5 times as many aircraft, so their need is higher, its a shame because I have been unable to gain sim time for my students in various sim centres.

All the airlines are charging a small fortune, it means nothing in the great scheme, after all Jet2 dont get the customers money until they have flown, according to many on here.

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Old 28th Jun 2021, 12:49
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It’s years since you counted then Brian. There are 3 B737-800’s, 1 B757 and 1 B737-300, there is also an A321 sim housed currently at Gatwick.
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Old 28th Jun 2021, 12:56
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Yep a very long time ago. Thanks for the update. Glad to see they are in use, wishing everyone a speedy return to the skies, whoever you fly for
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Old 28th Jun 2021, 15:36
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Well no idea who's in the sims, as skippers and FO's not heard a dickie bird since last year, seriously they appear to have a load of crew needing to get back current.

Wish they will hurry up as I need a break this autumn and they are my preferred airline. Come on white rose men.
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Old 28th Jun 2021, 17:34
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No point in trying to get all the pilots in the sims at the moment, as the routes are just not there to keep everyone current. It will be a slow wind up culminating in a very busy winter programme to all the winter sun and ski destinations.
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Old 28th Jun 2021, 19:41
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Those in the sims are the ones selected to be required to support the restart. Hopefully more will follow as things start to get more up and running.

as for those saying comms have been lacking, well at first that was definitely the case, but this last few months has been far better, I really don’t know what else your friends expect?
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