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Old 5th Aug 2022, 14:25
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As long as they keep Jess Glynne away from ABZ.....
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As long as they keep Jess Glynne away from ABZ.....
”Wee darling, haud ma haund.” 😆
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Good July

Jet2 were the only UK airline not to cancel a flight in July.

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co..../20603858.amp/

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Old 7th Aug 2022, 17:56
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Fatigue Concerns

Jet2 slammed by unions for not wanting to engage in a discussion about pilot fatigue.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...32993.html?amp
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Old 7th Aug 2022, 18:45
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Oh I can see it they want the airline shut down and all holidays cancelled
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Old 7th Aug 2022, 19:12
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Jet2 slammed by unions for not wanting to engage in a discussion about pilot fatigue.

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...32993.html?amp
Read - Balpa are having a hissy fit because Jet2 wont talk to them about fatigue.

I have had no issues going fatigued when I've needed to. No comeback, no calls, nothing.

If it ain't broke...
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Old 7th Aug 2022, 19:35
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Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan View Post
Read - Balpa are having a hissy fit because Jet2 wont talk to them about fatigue.

I have had no issues going fatigued when I've needed to. No comeback, no calls, nothing.

If it ain't broke...
Depends on your meaning of "hissy fit" - the article says:

“Jet2 pilots have asked Balpa to work with the airline to agree meaningful safety protections for their rosters in light of the current - more permissive - European flight time rules, which Balpa believes some airlines use as targets and not maximum limits,” the union said in a statement. 
Doesn't seem too unreasonable an approach from a union to respond to requests from its members?
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Old 7th Aug 2022, 19:46
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It rather depends on whether the union has majority support to start throwing its weight around. And one might also ask how the state of the general “relationships” are between BALPA and Jet2 😜
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Old 7th Aug 2022, 20:29
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Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan View Post
Read - Balpa are having a hissy fit because Jet2 wont talk to them about fatigue.

I have had no issues going fatigued when I've needed to. No comeback, no calls, nothing.

If it ain't broke...
you have completely missed the point, why were you fatigued?
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Old 7th Aug 2022, 22:58
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you have completely missed the point, why were you fatigued?
I think that's none of your business.
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Old 8th Aug 2022, 10:30
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If it was due to family and personal circumstances preventing you resting it isn’t. If it was due to rostering practises then in view of the topic it might be of legitimate interest.
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Old 8th Aug 2022, 15:00
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Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan View Post
Read - Balpa are having a hissy fit because Jet2 wont talk to them about fatigue.

I have had no issues going fatigued when I've needed to. No comeback, no calls, nothing.

If it ain't broke...
I’m with Chesty on this one.

I read the internal J2 BALPA communications in the lead up to the “going public”.
To me, it’s obvious that the CC are, understandably, frustrated with the continuing stance of the Company in belligerently refusing to discuss “rostering”
However, the press article honestly took me quite by surprise. I found it sensationalist, ill timed and thought out.
Quite frankly, I didn’t recognise or agree with its claims.

I wholeheartedly agree with Chesty. When I’ve felt at any time fatigued I’ve gone through the Company process with “ no comeback, no calls, nothing”
What would have been logged though, is a “fatigue report” for the company to add to the stats.

The trouble I believe is that there are too few of us doing this and so the Company can argue that there isn’t a problem.
I hear all too often from colleagues that complain of bad rostering and feeling fatigued but it transpires that they’ve agreed to work days off, swop rostered duties and accept roster changes when not obliged to.

We’re our own worst enemy !








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Old 14th Aug 2022, 17:28
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Emergency Landing

This sounds quite distressing.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/u...woman-27737124
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Old 14th Aug 2022, 18:08
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Originally Posted by Bam Thwok View Post
I’m with Chesty on this one.

I read the internal J2 BALPA communications in the lead up to the “going public”.
To me, it’s obvious that the CC are, understandably, frustrated with the continuing stance of the Company in belligerently refusing to discuss “rostering”
However, the press article honestly took me quite by surprise. I found it sensationalist, ill timed and thought out.
Quite frankly, I didn’t recognise or agree with its claims.

I wholeheartedly agree with Chesty. When I’ve felt at any time fatigued I’ve gone through the Company process with “ no comeback, no calls, nothing”
What would have been logged though, is a “fatigue report” for the company to add to the stats.


The trouble I believe is that there are too few of us doing this and so the Company can argue that there isn’t a problem.
I hear all too often from colleagues that complain of bad rostering and feeling fatigued but it transpires that they’ve agreed to work days off, swop rostered duties and accept roster changes when not obliged to.

We’re our own worst enemy !
I think the point is though, that the company isn't willing to take advice from experienced professionals in the field of fatigue nor invest in the software to actively look at the roster to identify potentially fatiguing duty blocks. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to identify that a duty on day one checking in around 0500z then a duty on day 2 checking out at 0200z on day 3 is probably going to be a fatiguing change. Why should it be down to a crew member to highlight this, or report fatigued - it should be captured before ever reaching the active roster.
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Old 14th Aug 2022, 19:37
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Sounds like the cabin crew should have been more robust in their response
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Old 14th Aug 2022, 19:55
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Originally Posted by lfc84 View Post
Sounds like the cabin crew should have been more robust in their response
They are not trained in restraint techniques. If they attempted to physically restrain a passenger and something untoward resulted, they'd be out with the company SOPs and probably left to face subsequent legal action themselves.
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Old 14th Aug 2022, 20:27
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Originally Posted by lfc84 View Post
Sounds like the cabin crew should have been more robust in their response
Obviously you were there to help out. ?

What a stupid comment to make and not knowing the full story and what crew were involved in the incident i suggest you refrain from posting comments like this
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Old 14th Aug 2022, 20:32
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They are not trained in restraint techniques. If they attempted to physically restrain a passenger and something untoward resulted, they'd be out with the company SOPs and probably left to face subsequent legal action themselves.
I thought the Air Navigation Order exists to give crew very strong powers to do whatever seems necessary at the time, especially post 9/11 ?
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Old 14th Aug 2022, 20:43
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Originally Posted by Chesty Morgan View Post
I think that's none of your business.
If I may rephrase my point, if it's a personal issue you call in sick, but if you are fatigued due poor rostering or unforeseen circumstances then it's not a personal issue is it?
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Sounds like the cabin crew should have been more robust in their response
A totally unjust statement.

For a start, there are inconsistences with what is/was being reported, and what the video shows. Agreed, the passenger is behaving in an unacceptable manner towards a cabin crew member and another passenger. Given the stature female staff involved, and the abuse she was subjected to, I applaud her efforts to remain calm. I wasn’t there but it does appear that a fellow passenger intervened to alleviate the situation. However, I feel there is more to this incident than journalism and social media are enabling constructive comment to be made.

It was a serious incident necessitating a divert to offload the offending passenger. I for one am prepared to wait for an official outcome, before falling foul of casting ill-informed judgment.

I thought the Air Navigation Order exists to give crew very strong powers to do whatever seems necessary at the time, especially post 9/11?
An interesting point. I’m sure there have been incidents reported on this forum of cabin staff restraining passengers, just like there have been of passengers doing likewise. Supper is ready; therefore, research is on hold.
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