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You misunderstand me, there is no blame on Jet2, only on Peel for their naive dependence and I suspect a level of honour to TUI, ignoring or offering less incentive to other opportunities to develop the airport. TUI alone were a gamble to give them 3m passengers, but I guess in 2005 nobody saw Jet 2 taking the market the way they have. By 2010 surely this should have been realised. Looking at other seemingly sustainable airports 3m passengers is the sweet spot where the negative turns into positive with the right retail and car parking returns, but they knew this from the beginning.
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TUI were a good loyal choice in my view. They’ve just been unable to build on that for whatever reason, and I believe one reason is lack of sufficient demand due to too many competitor airports in the vicinity…..That brings us back to DSA’s location and it’s proximity to some fairly major players.
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Let's face it Leeds Bradford is crap, always has been crap, and as they have given up with the new terminal always will be crap. People go there because it's convenient and there are flights. As a Doncaster resident, I used to go to Manchester as it took not much longer and the airport was better (which is saying something). Obviously, that was when DSA was not an option.
DSA needs to up its stake on convenience and routes. It does have some strengths that LBA does not. The topography, the runway length etc meaning it's suitable for long haul and Cargo.
There are rumours that at one point Virgin wanted to establish a Northern Hub, but could not agree on terms with Peel. While I'm a bit skeptical, I can see the logic...
I'm pleasantly surprised if they have extended the consultation period, although if this is extended too long it's just going to be slow death by a thousand paper cuts.
DSA needs to up its stake on convenience and routes. It does have some strengths that LBA does not. The topography, the runway length etc meaning it's suitable for long haul and Cargo.
There are rumours that at one point Virgin wanted to establish a Northern Hub, but could not agree on terms with Peel. While I'm a bit skeptical, I can see the logic...
I'm pleasantly surprised if they have extended the consultation period, although if this is extended too long it's just going to be slow death by a thousand paper cuts.
People go there because it's convenient and there are flights.
DSA needs to up its stake on convenience and routes.
The topography, the runway length etc meaning it's suitable for long haul and Cargo.
And the Virgin rumour sounds like an urban myth to me - along with TUI moving all their long haul from MAN
Yes LBA is rubbish for anyone outside of West Yorkshire, but it’s where the people are. The airlines put up with the less than ideal location and runway to chase the demand and the (ever squeezed) ££..
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Some very poor Geography on here. West Yorkshire has a population of 2.5 million South Yorkshire 1.4 million.
Leeds is central in West Yorkshire, DSA is on the Eastern fringes of South Yorkshire with little population to the east.
People to the West of Leeds have Manchester as an alternative. They are not going to travel to DSA.
South Yorkshire tried an Airport on the fringes of Sheffield and it failed. The population of South Yorkshire will never support an airport whilst EMA and LBA are available.
Leeds is central in West Yorkshire, DSA is on the Eastern fringes of South Yorkshire with little population to the east.
People to the West of Leeds have Manchester as an alternative. They are not going to travel to DSA.
South Yorkshire tried an Airport on the fringes of Sheffield and it failed. The population of South Yorkshire will never support an airport whilst EMA and LBA are available.
West Yorkshire has LBA between Leeds and Bradford (the clue is in the name folks), Nottingham/Derby/Leicester combined is 1.5m approx and has EMA at its centre. Neither of those two markets are really threatened by DSA and that’s purely down to geography.
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Other then the parking agreement during the lockdowns (where DSA impounded their final aircraft for none payment of fee's (circa £50k owed) was then paid within 48 hours and ruined any future relationship), there has been no talks with Virgin.
TUI on the other hand parked all their aircraft FOC.
TUI on the other hand parked all their aircraft FOC.
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Other then the parking agreement during the lockdowns (where DSA impounded their final aircraft for none payment of fee's (circa £50k owed) was then paid within 48 hours and ruined any future relationship), there has been no talks with Virgin.
TUI on the other hand parked all their aircraft FOC.
TUI on the other hand parked all their aircraft FOC.
The Doncaster mayor has put out a post saying a number of airlines and investors have been in discussions over the last few weeks. I wonder if this is BS?!
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I think you’re agreeing with me but yes this is the point I was making. Outside of South Yorkshire where can DSA attract passengers from?
West Yorkshire has LBA between Leeds and Bradford (the clue is in the name folks), Nottingham/Derby/Leicester combined is 1.5m approx and has EMA at its centre. Neither of those two markets are really threatened by DSA and that’s purely down to geography.
West Yorkshire has LBA between Leeds and Bradford (the clue is in the name folks), Nottingham/Derby/Leicester combined is 1.5m approx and has EMA at its centre. Neither of those two markets are really threatened by DSA and that’s purely down to geography.
We would always use Doncaster by preference (and have done so on a number of occasions) but if the flights don’t exist, you can’t take them.
Manchester is a pain to get to and LBA is also difficult and when we have used it, not a happy experience.
You must be forgetting that Nottinghamshire is a relatively large county!
We would always use Doncaster by preference (and have done so on a number of occasions) but if the flights don’t exist, you can’t take them.
Depending on whether your glass is half full or half empty, Peel have either tried and failed and are now crying enough, or where never really interested and were just playing the long game for the land (the area being so short of brownfield development sites...
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Originally Posted by tartan 201
If Peel's "decision is already made" what's the point of the extension?
"We made every effort to try to save the airport but sadly there was no stupid muppet with more money than sense willing to pay us £1 billion for land worth a fraction of that, so we're closing the airport and building warehouses instead.... but we want everyone to think we are a cuddly kind hearted charitable company"
Me ? Cynical ? Perish the thought !
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Peel bought Sheffield City airport for £1 with the proviso that they tried to keep the airfield open. However, if they could show that it was’t economically sustainable, the land could be developed for other purposes. It didn’t last long as an airport.
History has a habit of repeating itself.
History has a habit of repeating itself.
Peel bought Sheffield City airport for £1 with the proviso that they tried to keep the airfield open. However, if they could show that it was’t economically sustainable, the land could be developed for other purposes. It didn’t last long as an airport.
History has a habit of repeating itself.
History has a habit of repeating itself.
Perhaps Peel have extended in a hearts and minds campaign as David Johnson suggests above. But it does offer a glimmer of hope that things may be progressing.
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Vulcan set to leave DSA