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Old 25th Sep 2022, 21:03
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One thing I can’t get my head around is whether there’s some kind of land use clause on the estate which stipulates must be used for aviation purposes. If this is not the case then given the amount that’s been spent to connect the land to the M18, why not?

I realise I’m naive to the legalities of such things, and I suspect that if Peel are intending to close it down then they’d only do so and not sell it on as a going concern if there wasn’t anything stopping them from a change use. Anyone on here got any idea?
there is a clause in the DSA planning that it must be an airport and it's detailed withing the National Planning Frame Work, but unfortunately, there are always ways round these things....
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Old 25th Sep 2022, 21:15
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there is a clause in the DSA planning that it must be an airport and it's detailed withing the National Planning Frame Work, but unfortunately, there are always ways round these things....
…and the way around it being to prove that it’s a basket case? Hence the short ‘strategic review’, which doesn’t allow enough time for truly independent scrutiny. Be interesting to see what tomorrow brings.
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Old 25th Sep 2022, 21:55
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Tomorrow

I’m sure I join many, many others who have followed the Doncaster story in recent months in wishing everyone who may be affected by tomorrow’s decision, the best of luck and that the outcome for the airport is as good as it can be. Anyone who has worked at aviation will know that the industry can be precarious with no guaranteed future, especially in small loss-making Airports. Our hopes are with you at this difficult time.
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Old 25th Sep 2022, 22:05
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there is a clause in the DSA planning that it must be an airport and it's detailed withing the National Planning Frame Work, but unfortunately, there are always ways round these things....
DSA is also a nominated safeguarded airport. This means the airport in association with the Local Planning Authority ensures that no building or development work within certain areas adjacent to the airport will present safety issues to the operation of the airport. With the planning requirement for development of the site being dependent on it being an airport theres a conflict between what can be built and where, and operational requirements of an airport under CAP168/CAP738. So there’s potential issues hindering an ‘easy’ development of the site.

As far as the price goes it’s worth remembering that Bournemouth exchanged hands (2018?) for around £40m, for a site with similar non aviation development potential, but as a regional airport and southern Uk location, and Manston similar time for £20m. I’d be surprised if it’s £800m, but I could see £80m being asked.
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Old 25th Sep 2022, 23:06
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Has the airport not lost Peel something like £10m/year since it opened? I imagine they would want that back, if they sold it, and that’s before they tot up the value of the future development opportunities they’d be missing out on. That would be a huge figure, £40m won’t even scratch the surface.

It’s not the value of an airport that has to be considered, it’s the value of the site if it wasn’t an airport any longer.
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Old 25th Sep 2022, 23:35
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It’s not the value of an airport that has to be considered, it’s the value of the site if it wasn’t an airport any longer.
If the airport has lost £10m/year since opening you can’t ‘expect that back’ just because you’ve not run an airport very well. Poorly run businesses are valued less, though it’d be an interesting pitch to include ‘PPP recovery’ instead of ‘goodwill’ in a business valuation.

You're right re the value of the site, but as the development potential is tied to the ‘having an airport’ condition, there’s a problem.

Without an airport the development potential is compromised, and with an airport any development is restricted in part due to the airfield safeguarding requirements done hand in hand with the LPA. So the LPA does have an influence whichever way the wind blows tomorrow.
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 11:32
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Closing 31st October.
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 11:39
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Jeez Timmy. Jump on the staff's graves will you?

Sad.
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 11:41
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It is a sad day.

But it was never going to be saved. It was never part of Peels agenda.
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 11:49
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Absolutely no big deal. Too many small airports in that part of the country and consolidation is required. Job losses minimal with the worst thing being for those that want to stay in aviation possibly a slightly longer commute.
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 12:01
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Originally Posted by TimmyW View Post
It is a sad day.

But it was never going to be saved. It was never part of Peels agenda.
I think the only thing that would have saved it would have been a buyer. I don't think our politicians are quick enough to have put that together though.
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 12:07
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Originally Posted by davidjpowell View Post
Jeez Timmy. Jump on the staff's graves will you?

Sad.
Very sad indeed.

Unfortunately, people like Timmy don't seem to care about anyone else and/or take a moment to consider how they are impacted.
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 12:08
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Doncaster Sheffield Airport to close despite financial lifeline offer - BBC News

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Old 26th Sep 2022, 12:11
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Very sad.... but, similiar to the scenario of the death of a relative who has been ill for a long time, not entirely unexpected.
One should however look on the positive side... the site will need a lot of people (i.e. many local jobs) for both construction and operation of warehouses
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 12:12
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The people who are most negative such as Timmy secretly want to be proven right so they can say "told you so", we have plenty of them on the Teesside thread who will no doubt claim they were right about Peels intentions for that airport off the back of your misfortune, even though any closure at MME (which probably would have happened) would have been spur-of-the-moment rather than the deliberate run-down over many years which was and still is widely believed, even though it wasn't true, despite the current owners claiming it was because they know it will keep them in office. Sad times. My thoughts are with you all.
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 12:31
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Heartfelt commiserations to all the staff directly & indirectly involved in what must be a very sad, worrying time. Whilst I appreciate it wont be "that easy" for most people to switch elsewhere, those wishing to stay in the sector will easily find new employment. The majority of airlines and airport service providers are still thin on personnel and have recruitment drives underway. All the best to them for the future!

It is a terrible waste of a purpose built facility but sadly a business potential that was never realised. The second airport in that part of the region to close in less than 30 years, so what next?

Yorkshire will be back to only one major International facility, its proposed new terminal scrapped and the current infrastructure struggling to cope.

People dismissed the potential closure of DSA as somewhat negligible for TUI, I tend to disagree. They will struggle to move like for like capacity to LBA (as I don't think it can accommodate them fully) and they risk loosing more Yorkshire catchment & customer base if they move the program to an airport outside of the region. TUI certainly don't need more reasons to be paying out or refunding 1000's of customers for holidays that will no longer be going ahead right now off the back of a very damaging few years.


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Old 26th Sep 2022, 12:36
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People get caught up in their emotions and cheer for their local airport like a football team. I'm too guilty of it somewhat, but I am not totally oblivious to the facts and the market direction. Yorkshire has far too many airports in and immediately surrounding it. Something had to give and DSA given it isn't propped up by the taxpayer and infact an organisation running to make a profit, it was the most vulnerable and inevitable I'd say.
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 12:53
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I agree, its not Timmy who is sad but rather those living in the catchment area around DSA. They have not supported their local airport as much as they could have done. Airlines have tried, eg EasyJet but nothing has really worked. Airlines and airports need custom. If this doesn't happen losses will mount and eventually, as with all businesses, closure will follow. Sad, but that's the real world. DSA has had 17 years to be profitable but alas its not happened. Timmy and many others could see it happening. Prestwick comes to mind, long runway, empty terminal and no flights and no prospects of any. Glasgow too near, Edinburgh near too. DSA has MAN, LBA, EMA, BIR ----
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 13:19
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Interesting that two Scotsmen think a County with a population the same as their Country has too many ( actually two) airports .
Volume air traffic for all regional airports comes from the IT market, DSA has had only one operator supporting that market - that’s why passengers have not embraced the services of DSA in the numbers needed to make the place profitable. TUI are filling 5 airframes morning and afternoon - but that’s all that’s been on offer. Much frustration and sadness from a local, hope all involved in the airport can move on to prosper elsewhere.
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Interesting that two Scotsmen think a County with a population the same as their Country has too many ( actually two) airports .
Volume air traffic for all regional airports comes from the IT market, DSA has had only one operator supporting that market - that’s why passengers have not embraced the services of DSA in the numbers needed to make the place profitable. TUI are filling 5 airframes morning and afternoon - but that’s all that’s been on offer. Much frustration and sadness from a local, hope all involved in the airport can move on to prosper elsewhere.
Within 130 miles of DSA there are EIGHT other commercial airports (I might have even lost count). Within 130 miles of GLA there are two, and one of which PIK is totally unviable as a passenger facility and propped up by the government and theres not need for it. Its just the reality of the situation once you take the blinkers off.
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