Changes at RAAF Point Cook

[Dora-9]

Centaurus and Slezy9 - maybe I could have written my earlier post better?

I was not RAAF-bashing. I have flown with a considerable number of ex-RAAF pilots, I've never had cause to doubt their competence and generally I've found them to be thoroughly nice people as well. I've certainly made some good friends amongst them.

I was trying to highlight (and generate sympathy for) the great angst amongst the volunteers at Point Cook who have for many years have selflessly devoted their time and energies maintaining and flying those aircraft. Their feelings are not exactly being assuaged by attitude of the designated 100 Squadron CO (or so I'm repeatedly told).

My comment about the Roulettes leader was simply to illustrate the jockeying that one would assume is now going on within the RAAF to get to fly the Pt Cook and Temora "treasures". There was NO other implication.

[Vag277]

Office Update
Do you know any of the crew personally? By your descriptions, I suspect not.

[Centaurus]

That wasn't the point, Centaurus.

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Originally Posted by Slezy9 View Post
What is your point?
Don’t worry about wasting your time. Anyone this ignorant isn’t worth arguing with 😂

Apologies for the perceived lack of sensitivity. It was my attempt at a joke which unfortunately fell flat. Time to lighten up a bit maybe?

[josephfeatherweight]

Don't worry, Centaurus, nobody was feeling any angst towards your post, I'm pretty sure - and the post referring to ignorance was DEFINITELY not aimed at you.
There's some predictable friction building over perceptions/realities of the RAAF "moving back in" and side-shoving the valuable volunteers who have contributed much at Point Cook.
Hopefully, it doesn't actually play out like that and a happy, mutually beneficial, coexistence can develop.
I would love the RAAF to re-establish themselves at Point Cook - their home! I think it can benefit everyone, if it's done properly.

[vee1-rotate]

Originally Posted by Andy_G

The flying club there has been asked to leave by early next year. It had traditionally been located at Point Cook and is currently looking for a new home to continue providing (very) affordable aviation.
End of an era (50-ish years).

I flew their B-model I think it was 172 many years back. Was always scared in that thing, thinking the wings would fold up at any moment. Nice location though.

[Pundit]

As the RAAF moves to celebrate its centenary next year, it is a pity the birthplace couldn't be returned to a fully operational base. Tradition and history need to be protected.

[Bodie1]

Who owns the base? The RAAF, they can do whatever TF they like there. If they tell you to get out, then get out.

So some dude is muscling in on the Mustang because of who or what he knows, so what. If you haven't figured out by now that that's how life works you're in for a bit of a rough ride in life.

[Dora-9]

Office Update
Do you know any of the crew personally? By your descriptions, I suspect not.

Vag277 - if that was aimed at me (who is Office Update?), then despite declaring earlier that this was third-hand knowledge I DO know some of the people concerned!

Apologies for the perceived lack of sensitivity.

Centaurus - no offence taken.

So some dude is muscling in on the Mustang because of who or what he knows, so what.

Bodie - I certainly have figured it out by now thanks for your kind concern - I've been involved in aviation for a bloody long time now, sufficient to qualify for a Degree in Applied Aviation Cynicism. As you say, it is the way of the world - but it doesn't make it right though. I confess that photos of long-haired Mr Lowy being made a Flight Lieutenant caused some gnashing of teeth here too.

[Bodie1]

Dora, it's sorta the same as the teeth gnashing going on over sports rorts, poor choices in 'relationship' partners, politicians lying to enquiries, do we expect any different? I don't. And I don't particularly give a tinkers cuss.

As far as Lowy being made a Flight Lieutenant, he'd probably display more courage and moral fibre than the upper levels of gutless 'leadership' from the army at the moment. Lowy deserves a knighthood as far as I'm concerned.

[Vag277]

Response to Office Update related to a post that appears to have been deleted in which the background of the Temora crew members was maligned. Not aimed at Dora-9

[The Banjo]

In reality the Temora Museum would not exist if the "long haired Mr. Lowy" had not invested an enormous of time, energy, business knowledge and of course many millions of dollars in the venture. If short back and sides is our yardstick of a man's worth then we are indeed misguided. As for the two retired air ranks on the museum board. Both have reputations for being very decent people in and out of uniform and we could not wish for better people to steer the museum into the future.

[Dora-9]

The Banjo - I now realize that my comment re Mr Lowy was Topic Drift, not really pertinent to the Point Cook goings-on and maybe best left to another occasion. I think everyone at Temora should be grateful to him; the town was dying when I first visited there around 2000. Consider my remark withdrawn please.

And I don't particularly give a tinkers cuss.

Bodie - then why post? There's a famous quote about bad things happening because good men stand by and do nothing. Me, I like tilting at windmills, even if it's just with a keyboard!

[Bodie1]

Like what bad things? From what I'm reading there's noses out of joint for two reasons? Civvies getting kicked off a military aerodrome and whinging about who gets to fly some toys we'd all give our left nut to fly? Not much you can do about the first, the second, join the brown nose queue, or buy your own toys to fly?

[Square Bear]

The RAAF Pt Cook Aero Club was initially set up for the RAAF personnel for those that were not Flight Crew, or were Flight Crew and wanted an aircraft they could use for recreational use, or the flight crew that had a ground position and enjoyed a flight now and again.

Aside from maybe one or two aircraft the Club owned owned, the majority were owned by Civilian’s who were given membership due to putting their aircraft of line. Same as the instructing staff.

Many ADFA cadets got their “CASA” licences through the Club, well before they got to 1FTS, as did many Military pilots who were leaving the Service.

Admittedly my experience is from some years ago, but a shame to see it go because really it was a Social Club with the added attraction of flight training/flight enjoyment/aircraft hire.

[Sunfish]

Bodie1:

what bad things? From what I'm reading there's noses out of joint for two reasons? Civvies getting kicked off a military aerodrome and whinging about who gets to fly some toys we'd all give our left nut to fly? Not much you can do about the first, the second, join the brown nose queue, or buy your own toys to fly?]

Its the despised “civvies” that paid for the original base, its upkeep and the “toys we’d all give our left nuts to fly”. Furthermore, if you are RAAF, the “civvies” paid for your training, food and clothing down to your shoes and socks.

I’d rather see Point Cook turned into a housing estate before giving it back to the RAAF, if the RAAF is full of cynical narcissistic creeps like you.

Point Cook was a natural spot to house:

1. A purpose built Australian air museum.

2. An industry cluster of aviation related businesses specialising in the restoration and maintenance of vintage aircraft of all. types, civil and military as well as the manufacture of replicas.

3. A training hub for both pilots and engineers.

‘’As for a fully fledged RAAF base, there goes another chunk of airspace locked up for the benefit of a bunch of overgrown schoolboys.

[Slezy9]

What a great rant!! Had a few reds last night Sunfish? I don't recommend drinking and typing.

I only see one person regularly posting like an "overgrown schoolboy" on PPRUNE (hint: it's you)

[finestkind]

[QUOTE=Sunfish;10937548]Bodie1:

Its the despised “civvies” that paid for the original base, its upkeep and the “toys we’d all give our left nuts to fly”. Furthermore, if you are RAAF, the “civvies” paid for your training, food and clothing down to your shoes and socks.

You also forgot the funeral's.

I don't think anyone would look at your "post" and not think that you have an overly large chip on your shoulder or are you off your medication?

[Andy_G]

Well this topic has drifted well off track. Seems as though its a bit "windy".

[junior.VH-LFA]

Originally Posted by Sunfish

Bodie1:

Its the despised “civvies” that paid for the original base, its upkeep and the “toys we’d all give our left nuts to fly”. Furthermore, if you are RAAF, the “civvies” paid for your training, food and clothing down to your shoes and socks.

And in return people go to war when they're asked to. It's not a one way deal.

Ffs Sunfish, even you are better than this pathetic dribble.

[Bodie1]

if the RAAF is full of cynical narcissistic creeps like you.

Calm down there old fruit, I'm not RAAF or ex-RAAF. I couldn't be further from the services. There are some wankas in the RAAF but I reckon there are far more wankas in GA percentage wise.

I do know how the world works, I would have thought you'd have figured it out by now. You can choose to be part of that world or not, I choose not to, but that's just me. I'm not gunna have a crack at someone who chooses to.