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Old 13th May 2022, 21:47
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Qf staff have no say and have never had any say on who gets confirmed staff travel…..
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Old 13th May 2022, 22:05
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It's suggested on another forum that E-190 Qantas services are regularly cancelled due to a lack of crew, including some capital city pairs.
Can anyone confirm this is a daily event on some services?
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Old 14th May 2022, 01:54
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Ok, now this is all starting to get very strange!! Alliance captains get about $165K/year, Network/ QF about $195K, VARA, don't know, to fly a F100. Cobham pay about $190k to fly a BAE146 and a bit more for the E190. Alliance E190 captains apparently are paid as low as $150K and now they want to test the field for foreign pilots to fly within Australia and possibly get paid even less!! These are all 100 seat medium range airliners, so surely there is some sort of minimum pay here to fly a 100 seat jet as a Captain? Surely, if Qantas takes over the company, they will just pay everyone the same as the Network/ Qantaslink Agreement?
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Old 14th May 2022, 02:02
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Originally Posted by AussieAviator View Post
Surely, if Qantas takes over the company, they will just pay everyone the same as the Network/ Qantaslink Agreement?
Ha! That may well defeat the point of buying them. When they bought Network and gave them A320ís they did not just put them on the same Qantas Short Haul agreement.
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Old 14th May 2022, 06:17
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Highly doubt it! the industrial lawyers at QF will be licking their lips. ďIf alliance can do it we can as wellĒ. Just have a look at whatís unfolding at NJS as we speak.


now this is all starting to get very strange!! Alliance captains get about $165K/year, Network/ QF about $195K, VARA, don't know, to fly a F100. Cobham pay about $190k to fly a BAE146 and a bit more for the E190. Alliance E190 captains apparently are paid as low as $150K and now they want to test the field for foreign pilots to fly within Australia and possibly get paid even less!! These are all 100 seat medium range airliners, so surely there is some sort of minimum pay here to fly a 100 seat jet as a Captain? Surely, if Qantas takes over the company, they will just pay everyone the same as the Network/ Qantaslink Agreement?[/QUOTE]
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Old 14th May 2022, 08:59
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C441, not sure but I can tell you a lot of the E190 QF services are being cancelled all the time from BNE to multiple cities, not sure why but I constantly see cancelled or 3-4 hour delays on their flights out of BNE.
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Old 14th May 2022, 12:17
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I know I number of Australian pilots with jet time (narrow body to wide body) who have applied to QQ and have heard nothing. Some of these pilots have now taken turboprop jobs.

Then there are some like me who have substantial Ejet time from the VA days and have not heard anything from QQ.

There is no reason for QQ to bring in non-Australian pilots.
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Old 15th May 2022, 04:06
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Originally Posted by Zinfandel View Post
I know I number of Australian pilots with jet time (narrow body to wide body) who have applied to QQ and have heard nothing. Some of these pilots have now taken turboprop jobs.

Then there are some like me who have substantial Ejet time from the VA days and have not heard anything from QQ.

There is no reason for QQ to bring in non-Australian pilots.
Not sure but I donít think the problem is suitable pilots itís getting them to go to Darwin
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Old 15th May 2022, 04:26
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Originally Posted by backspace View Post
Not sure but I donít think the problem is suitable pilots itís getting them to go to Darwin
And to add to your post backspace, getting them to go to DRW (and to a lesser extent ADL and TSV) under the terms and conditions offered currently.
The latest offering to foreign pilots is surely to put large downwards pressure on an already abysmal contract, and the wider industry as a whole (think Qantas/NJS and A220).
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Old 15th May 2022, 06:20
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Also have substantial E170/190 (plus Boeing) time but have not heard a peep from Alliance and have been rejected from Cobham following an interview. Go figure! Meh! Start your own business as I have.
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Old 15th May 2022, 07:25
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Not sure but I don’t think the problem is suitable pilots it’s getting them to go to Darwin
Given they don't even bother to reply to people with thousands of hours of jet time, they really wouldn't know, would they?

There's a bunch of highly-experienced pilots in Australia looking for jobs right now, but without the type-rating the likes of Alliance and Cobham aren't remotely interested.
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Old 15th May 2022, 08:18
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Know of four seperate blokes who meet the requirements (ie all former ejet drivers) that either have never been contacted back by Alliance or got knocked back with no feedback at first stage. One is filthy after hearing about this
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Old 15th May 2022, 08:45
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Can the proposed recruitment of foreign labour be legally challenged? Or does the govt just take the word of Alliance management and sign off on the visas?

Anyone....?
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Old 15th May 2022, 09:35
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Originally Posted by KZ Kiwi View Post
Can the proposed recruitment of foreign labour be legally challenged? Or does the govt just take the word of Alliance management and sign off on the visas?

Anyone....?
Thereís no need for employer sponsored visas, NT has Aeroplane Pilot on their migration occupation list and will sponsor applicants who meet the criteria for a 491 Skilled Work Regional (Provisional) visa.
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Old 15th May 2022, 11:38
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Originally Posted by KZ Kiwi View Post
Can the proposed recruitment of foreign labour be legally challenged? Or does the govt just take the word of Alliance management and sign off on the visas?

Anyone....?
Take a breath, I highly doubt they will be flooding the Aus pilot ranks with touring pilots from the UK.

Recall AJ's threat in 2020, when he had hundreds of pilots waiting to fly the Sunrise project.
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Old 15th May 2022, 12:29
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Given they don't even bother to reply to people with thousands of hours of jet time, they really wouldn't know, would they?

There's a bunch of highly-experienced pilots in Australia looking for jobs right now, but without the type-rating the likes of Alliance and Cobham aren't remotely interested.
Cobham has been sending new recruits on the 190 for type ratings. So whilst itís listed as a requirement, most of the new hires donít have the actual type rating.
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Old 15th May 2022, 12:49
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Cobham has been sending new recruits on the 190 for type ratings. So whilst it’s listed as a requirement, most of the new hires don’t have the actual type rating.
Captains or FOs? Cobham advertised for both DECs and FOs on the E190, with the type rating listed as ‘desirable’. Perhaps I’m mistaken, but my understanding is they did not consider anyone for a DEC position without a type rating. I was made redundant from an overseas airline and applied to Cobham with WAY more than the minimum requirements, but no type rating. They didn’t even have the courtesy to reply.
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Old 15th May 2022, 14:39
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Cobham had/has a list of people from NJS that got screwed over when QF did the hostile takeover of NJS and then closed their 30+ year old Base.

These people don’t have E-Jet time but have extensive ‘cobham’ time so naturally these people will be employed first. Once those NJS people have dried up then others will get a look in. Don’t be offended if Cobham don’t call you, they’re simply looking after their own first which shows a level of respect for their staff not seen in aviation lately…
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Old 15th May 2022, 17:14
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Fair enough, but how hard is it to contact unsuccessful applicants and provide an explanation? For example, “Your application is unsuccessful at this time as we are prioritising…”. I know it’s a standard practice with a lot of employers to ignore unsuccessful applicants, but it is frankly disrespectful, especially where the applicant meets all of the ‘essential’ criteria. When Qantas advertised for A320 DECs for Network, they had the decency to respond and say they were prioritising people with type ratings, even though the rating wasn’t listed as an essential criteria.
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Afap responds.



Late last week a number of members alerted the AFAP to recruitment advertisements for foreign pilots (Direct Entry Captains and First Officers) at both Alliance on the E190 and Rex on the B737, sending us copies of the advertisements. Over the weekend we wrote to both Alliance and Rex seeking confirmation of whether these advertisements are genuine.
Rex has since written back stating that the advertisement relating to Rex is ďunsolicited and NOT supported by RexĒ. They have also advised that the WhatsApp number referenced in the advertisement does not belong to any Rex employee.

We are yet to receive confirmation from Alliance.

At this stage we need to work on the assumption that the screen shots relating to Alliance seeking interest from E190 pilots in the UK for contract positions in Adelaide or Darwin are genuine. Accordingly, we have commenced steps to address this development and will be taking further steps this week. These include briefing politicians on both sides of politics and the media on this issue, which we appreciate is of great concern to members.

Australian pilots, particularly airline pilots, have been amongst the hardest hit employees by the pandemic. Most of us have endured significant stand downs and many have lost their jobs, such as the Tigerair pilots and Virgin ATR and wide-body pilots. Advertising for foreign pilots at this time is a betrayal of trust for all Australian pilots Ė the companyís existing pilots, currently unemployed experienced Australian pilots and many pilots in GA who are looking to progress their aviation career.

If true, it is particularly disappointing given that Alliance has previously proudly proclaimed how profitable they have been over the pandemic. Such conduct, especially in the current environment, cannot be ignored.

Rest assured we will be taking every possible step to ensure Australian pilot jobs are prioritised for Australian pilots.

We will keep you posted on developments.

Best regards,

Capt. Louise Pole

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