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Pilot Shortage in Hong Kong

Old 27th Jun 2022, 19:02
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In what way is the environment we operate in relevant?
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Old 27th Jun 2022, 20:30
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Different ?

Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong View Post
In what way is the environment we operate in relevant?
Languages, accents, typhoons, sh*t ATC, lung destroying Cat III smog....... Naw, it's the exact same everywhere right ?? STW = fool .
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Old 27th Jun 2022, 20:44
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Originally Posted by Freehills View Post
PRC pilots manage it (flying in the PRC) with, frankly, an excellent safety record.

Yes well given that the particular regime in question seems to have extreme difficulty with opacity and the truth ( 2 and a half years on and we still donít know how a virus evolved thatís killed several million people and wiped bilions off economies worldwide) who knows how excellent their safety record actually is ? That said Iíll pass on the punitive, pejorative , spy in the cab style of pilot management. And anyone who has spent any time at all flying in or even through the PRC ( which I have ) knows that a) itís a pia and b) is an accident waiting to happen.

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Old 27th Jun 2022, 21:32
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong View Post
The crucial point is that you guys are willing to work in this environment. That is all that counts. Nobody cares if you like it, if it makes you happy, you think it is more difficult or unhealthy. It is not relevant, not even for you or would not do it.
I no longer do it. And glad of it. And the only place I want to see your beloved PRC from is from the comfort of business class at 12600 metres. Assuming theyíre still not playing silly bastards for levels.
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 16:37
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Originally Posted by Flex88 View Post
Languages, accents, typhoons, sh*t ATC, lung destroying Cat III smog....... Naw, it's the exact same everywhere right ?? STW = fool .
All these factors, true or not, are irrelevant as long as you do the job. Nobody is interested if you like it, if you are happy in HK,how difficult or hard you perceive the flying. Nobody.
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Old 28th Jun 2022, 21:33
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False!

Iím interested! All kidding aside.
Joining cx used to imply you met a certain standard.

Today I read the next generation of pilots in this airline will not even have to do a sim evaluation, just zoom call your interview and show up for training chaps!

Ah well, weíll see what happens, I hope youíre right, I really do.
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 13:11
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong View Post
All these factors, true or not, are irrelevant as long as you do the job. Nobody is interested if you like it, if you are happy in HK,how difficult or hard you perceive the flying. Nobody.
not true. I care. The company you work for/where you are based/ operating environment/ etc all play a part in making the decision to join or not. HK is a very different place compared to what it was 3 years ago and much less appealing with the reduced salary. Add inflation in the mix and there is very little reason to upend your family and move to a city that no longer offers the benefits it once did. So yesÖ many care !
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 18:43
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I would still dream of a job at CX though... It's a pity for the culture change indeed.
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 21:34
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Well before all these ex Comair Zaffers come out to Hongkers to rescue CXi, they might want to read this first:


https://www.mingtiandi.com/real-esta...ate-headlines/
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Old 29th Jun 2022, 22:02
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I would not go back even if they offered COS 08.
I don't trust them not to meddle with the terms again and have zero respect for the leadership, government, corporate and flt ops.
Ive flown with some of the occupants on the 3rd floor when they were FO’s and wouldn’t trust some of them to drive a car let alone lead a group of experienced professionals.
Life is not a dress rehearsal. You get one shot only and I was fortunate my “shot” was during the good times for CX/HKG. Most of the South African’s I have met through flying are fine aviators and intelligent men. They know spoilt fruit when they see it and as such the latest drive for the bottom of the barrel will yield the desperate and incompetent.
There are good times are still to be found in aviation , just elsewhere.
Keep looking and do not sell yourself short.

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Old 30th Jun 2022, 00:03
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I would not go back even if they offered COS 08.
latest drive for the bottom of the barrel will yield the desperate and incompetent.
I just hope the ones they bring in are mature people who realise the situation on the ground in HK and don't come in expecting life to be a party anymore. Just remember... Don't staff travel on a sick day. Precedent has already been set by a Saffer doing that.
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Old 1st Jul 2022, 00:55
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More Saffers' on the way ex Comair -no work in SA
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Old 1st Jul 2022, 02:32
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Purple ties for all would be my guess. All sold with shiny pictures of 748s and 350s in the back ground.
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Another very experienced 777 STC just gave their notice. When will the bleeding stop?
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Old 2nd Jul 2022, 03:09
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Another very experienced 777 STC just gave their notice. When will the bleeding stop?
It won't stop. This company is failing right along with the city.

The pay and benefits under COS 18 are insufficient to keep qualified pilots, especially when you consider all the Covid BS we are forced to put up with. You might keep a few of the experienced pilots if you offered month on/month off but I suspect that most have made their decisions to retire early or take another job in their home country.
Congrats to the GMA and her ilk for destroying this airline. Your disdain and contempt for pilots will be the end of this place. Who is going to train the 800 new cadets? You?

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Old 2nd Jul 2022, 07:20
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Purple ties for all would be my guess. All sold with shiny pictures of 748s and 350s in the back ground.
If you mean HKE, then their adverts say only "Hong Kong Permanent Resident"
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Old 2nd Jul 2022, 07:23
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Just wait until October, when ARAPA ends. Itís gonna be OPEN SEASON! The jellyfish must be having nightmares already
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Old 2nd Jul 2022, 08:39
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Like waiting for Godot.
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Old 2nd Jul 2022, 09:16
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It won't stop. This company is failing right along with the city.

The pay and benefits under COS 18 are insufficient to keep qualified pilots, especially when you consider all the Covid BS we are forced to put up with. You might keep a few of the experienced pilots if you offered month on/month off but I suspect that most have made their decisions to retire early or take another job in their home country.
Congrats to the GMA and her ilk for destroying this airline. Your disdain and contempt for pilots will be the end of this place. Who is going to train the 800 new cadets? You?
Plenty of volunteers on 40% less pay putting their hand up to become training captain's in return for 5% pay back. No special deals for trainers just a nice title and an insurance policy that you will only be demoted to captain when you are unstable on your approach.
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Old 2nd Jul 2022, 10:23
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What's going on behind the scenes at cx city:

The plan was 60% of normal ops by September. Planning said cannot, not enough pilots. Revised plan was 50% of normal ops by end of the year. Planning now says not enough pilots for that either and can't recruit pilots either. So now again revised plan, 30% cut to the 50% by end of the year plan. It has already been admitted openly internally that their plans are not achievable due to lack of pilots even after downsizing the plans several times already. They're also having no luck hiring in any department to restore operations back towards normal level.

Panic has set in at board level. Eventually it will have to he admitted that cathay can't restore operations due to inability to retain or hire pilots, publicly. Or apparently any employees in general as well.

It must be painful to be an employer without any credibility having lost the confidence of long time loyal employees forever due to one stupid arrognt mistake at a crucial moment for which cathay will very possibly pay the ultimate price for.

The harder and harsher cathay falls the better for the pilot profession. It will keep other airlines to even think about doing the same to their pilot workforce in the future. It seems cathay has finally found the magic line that they should have never crossed, and from which there's no going back.

There's nothing cathay can ever do now to regain credibility. They'll have to pay more than they did before to get people risking their careers to work at cathay even on short term basis.

Well done GH. This was all GH's baby project.

This is what happens when there's a waste of oxygen CEO in charge. He can be persuaded to agree to this kind of disastrous action for which cathay is already in deep deep sh!t now unable to execute a recovery.

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