Lauda Cadet Type Rating

[737ng_x]

Hello !

Anyone here received the Lauda Cadet Type Rating advertisement ?

[rkk.pilot]

Yes I did. I was invited for the assessment at the end of November. I have not a date at the moment. Do you have any rumours/informations about the selection?

[Nineshsimbers]

They are sending out ads for Cadet? They turned down so many experienced guys so there’s no way they are taking anymore cadets.

[ytsirc]

Hello, 737ng_x, I received an e-mail regarding a recruitment window at the end of November. I don't know if that is what you are referring to. I applied on their website about 4 months a go.

I still haven't decided if I will attend.

[GE115b]

What’s the Ts&Cs?

[P40Warhawk]

Originally Posted by GE115b

What’s the Ts&Cs?

https://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Laudamotion and it continues in Europe with social dumping.

As a first job get your hours and move on asap from there.

[Jamesflyer1]

Hello guys,

May I ask where did you apply ? Because on the website it seems that they changed the requirements to 700 hours

thanks

[MaverickPrime]

Is there flight pay per block hour on top of the salaries list on ppjn? Too many different updates on ppjn, hard to know which is right!

[Rocket61]

As said, all applied around 3 months ago, ad has changed now

[Nineshsimbers]

Anyone know where 700 hours comes from?

I know many people who hold offers for Lauda but wont take them so hopefully they will drop the requirements

500 hours (ZFT) and 1500 hours (ATPL) I get but 700...?

[Seanban]

I applied to Ryanair through CAE and did the online assessment, then 2 weeks later received an offer for interview with Lauda. They are obviously trying to push cadets who apply for Ryanair into the lauda side of things. I presume it’s the same format as ryr interview except tech questions on a320 I guess

[737ng_x]

Here is the advertisement :

[Nineshsimbers]

Hi everyone.
Could anyone kindly elaborate why they are sponsoring and paying for cadet costs when there is a large pool out there of experienced pilots (320 rated particularly) out there? I worked out in the long term it is not actually cheaper for them - the labour. The difference in salary does not justify this.

If anyone has an answer that will be great thanks to you all

[bulldog89]

Originally Posted by Nineshsimbers

Hi everyone.
Could anyone kindly elaborate why they are sponsoring and paying for cadet costs when there is a large pool out there of experienced pilots (320 rated particularly) out there? I worked out in the long term it is not actually cheaper for them - the labour. The difference in salary does not justify this.

If anyone has an answer that will be great thanks to you all

I'm sure 320 rated pilots have way more attractive options out there...

By the way, which "cadet costs" do you think they're paying for?

[Nineshsimbers]

20,000 euros is what Lauda will pay for the training costs. It is in the ad above.

The usual perception is that 320 rated pilots should have it easy, not always. Aer Lingus opened up but aren’t taking people until next Spring/Summer, if at all...BA wont open up for a while due to the industrial dispute. EasyJet only have a seasonal contract in PMI (very bad contract). Working for Wizz air (if not LTN base) is slavery..plus conversion of license and Brexit has really screwed things up. Vueling have said people wont start until next summer or potentially in hold pool for 2021!! That being said, its all about right place right time in this industry.

[bulldog89]

Originally Posted by Nineshsimbers

20,000 euros is what Lauda will pay for the training costs. It is in the ad above.

It is not.
The ad says YOU pay 10k€ and recognize your line training will cost Lauda 20000 €. This is just a legal basis to ensure you can be forced by a judge to pay the agreed bond. Without that they'd have to reveal the real costs and you'll be forced to pay just that, not a penny in excess.
Hard to demonstrate, as during your line "training" you'll be flying paying passengers...

Originally Posted by Nineshsimbers

The usual perception is that 320 rated pilots should have it easy, not always. Aer Lingus opened up but aren’t taking people until next Spring/Summer, if at all...BA wont open up for a while due to the industrial dispute. EasyJet only have a seasonal contract in PMI (very bad contract). Working for Wizz air (if not LTN base) is slavery..plus conversion of license and Brexit has really screwed things up. Vueling have said people wont start until next summer or potentially in hold pool for 2021!! That being said, its all about right place right time in this industry.

320 pilots are the most employable in the market. If not please tell me who it is.

edit: If you think easy PMI is a bad contract I truly can't understand how could you even be considering Lauda...

[Nineshsimbers]

Well they are ‘sponsoring’ you. 20,000 is at their own cost. They ‘incur’ the cost. A type rating does not cost 10k€, and line training is to compensate for the extra 10-15% extra the line training captains make.

320 pilots are definitely the most employable. However that is relative. And now the market is still saturated with 320 rated pilots and many who cannot find a job, many having to get a new rating. The Lauda contract isn’t as bad as that. At least I wont be seasonal, but I agree Lauda is not the best. EasyJet, as great as their training is also have a poor standard of cadet First Officers. With their ethics in their selection process with Amy Johnson and making a profit from TR on every cadet out of flight school with they take, I question their company ethos.

[bulldog89]

Originally Posted by Nineshsimbers

Well they are ‘sponsoring’ you. 20,000 is at their own cost. They ‘incur’ the cost. A type rating does not cost 10k€, and line training is to compensate for the extra 10-15% extra the line training captains make.

20k€ is a certain amount of money. It is also the sum LAUDA says to equal their expenses. It may differ from the real cost, and since they're asking you to certify that it's the correct amount (something you have no idea about) it probably isn't.
In any other industry training costs are part of the risk of making business, and such requests are just unthinkable and laughable. Just to put things into prospective: I know people without a high school diploma making 30k€/year, 8 hours/working day, 12 days off/month, living in their hometowns with their families, in a country with lower salary taxes and living costs than Austria's ones, no bond, no previous training costs to be repaid.

Anyway, you're not paying 10000€. You're paying 10000€ plus another 20000€ to allow you to leave the company at your discretion.

Again, during line training you're flying PAYING passengers, so the company is making money during your "training".

Originally Posted by Nineshsimbers

320 pilots are definitely the most employable. However that is relative. And now the market is still saturated with 320 rated pilots and many who cannot find a job, many having to get a new rating. The Lauda contract isn’t as bad as that. At least I wont be seasonal, but I agree Lauda is not the best. EasyJet, as great as their training is also have a poor standard of cadet First Officers. With their ethics in their selection process with Amy Johnson and making a profit from TR on every cadet out of flight school with they take, I question their company ethos.

Anyone who had the opportunity to read an easyJet contract knows these two airlines aren't even comparable. They're just two different galaxies.

[Nineshsimbers]

Originally Posted by bulldog89

20k€ is a certain amount of money. It is also the sum LAUDA says to equal their expenses. It may differ from the real cost, and since they're asking you to certify that it's the correct amount (something you have no idea about) it probably isn't.
In any other industry training costs are part of the risk of making business, and such requests are just unthinkable and laughable. Just to put things into prospective: I know people without a high school diploma making 30k€/year, 8 hours/working day, 12 days off/month, living in their hometowns with their families, in a country with lower salary taxes and living costs than Austria's ones, no bond, no previous training costs to be repaid.

Anyway, you're not paying 10000€. You're paying 10000€ plus another 20000€ to allow you to leave the company at your discretion.

Again, during line training you're flying PAYING passengers, so the company is making money during your "training".



Anyone who had the opportunity to read an easyJet contract knows these two airlines aren't even comparable. They're just two different galaxies.

Thanks for the business lesson. If you read carefully, the English in the advertisement above, it is only 10k euros you pay.

I was merely pointing to the fact of the seasonal contract with EZY in PMI. None of them are great and I have not read both contracts no, I will not claim to know what they contain. Who would want to work for a company like easyJet anyway who promote positive discrimination and allow a very poor standard of cadet First Officers to join their company.

Anyhow I hope everyone who applied for RYR wouldn’t mind going for Lauda. Cadets are struggling to find jobs at the moment with all the experienced employed pilots swimming about. However RYR want to lay off pilots..? Not take on anymore. Just wait until those maxes come back into service. There will be a real shortage....

[bulldog89]

Originally Posted by Nineshsimbers

Thanks for the business lesson. If you read carefully, the English in the advertisement above, it is only 10k euros you pay.

I was merely pointing to the fact of the seasonal contract with EZY in PMI. None of them are great and I have not read both contracts no, I will not claim to know what they contain. Who would want to work for a company like easyJet anyway who promote positive discrimination and allow a very poor standard of cadet First Officers to join their company.

Anyhow I hope everyone who applied for RYR wouldn’t mind going for Lauda. Cadets are struggling to find jobs at the moment with all the experienced employed pilots swimming about. However RYR want to lay off pilots..? Not take on anymore. Just wait until those maxes come back into service. There will be a real shortage....

If you read even more carefully you'll understand that you pay 10k cash and then another 20k to leave in the first year, when you'll find out the pay is poor, living costs high and commuting unthinkable. Of course you could always stay 3 years and then cry when you find out how much money you lost compared to other A320 employers...your call.

Another fun fact: you'll be on a 15k GROSS salary for 6 months, no matter how much you fly. So for 6 months your gross salary would be less than your bond.

But hey...accordingly to your mothertongue it's only 10000€, right?