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Why don't we care about the price of Petrol any more?

Old 13th May 2022, 16:41
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Why don't we care about the price of Petrol any more?

Or in fact it would seem the price of anything.
Not so long ago Truckers were up in arms when Diesel went past .99p a litre. Now it's £1.89 a litre. No riots, no protests, nothing?
Soon it will be £2 a litre.
Have we just accepted our fate?
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Old 13th May 2022, 16:53
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I think all of Europe knows why.
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Old 13th May 2022, 17:10
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Or in fact it would seem the price of anything.
Not so long ago Truckers were up in arms when Diesel went past .99p a litre. Now it's £1.89 a litre. No riots, no protests, nothing?
Soon it will be £2 a litre.
Have we just accepted our fate?
On the surface, it may seem that way....however, it's only mid May and the cost increases elsewhere have yet to fully impact on many, albeit for some poor souls they already have.

Think of this as being a cumulative and insidious process therefore. As the costs of living crisis continues, in the not too distant future, the fuel price will become prominent in everybody's life....Summer hols are approaching for example and what seemed like a good idea for whatever form may now have to be pared back...significantly.

And then there's the next gas / electric rises in October..just in time for Winter.

As I've said before, next door neighbour is a professional HGV driver...his opinion is, that, whilst the increases in his fuel bills are " manageable...just " with costs being passed on to the consumer, naturally, this can't last and he's aware of low key, but present, rumours for truckers protests as matters deteriorate further.
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Old 13th May 2022, 17:30
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And not so much as a slogan painted on the offices of BP and the like. Its obvious that the price of fuel is the catalyst for the whole crisis.
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
As I've said before, next door neighbour is a professional HGV driver...his opinion is, that, whilst the increases in his fuel bills are " manageable...just " with costs being passed on to the consumer, naturally, this can't last and he's aware of low key, but present, rumours for truckers protests as matters deteriorate further.
I used to race with a guy who owned a small interstate trucking company. Back in 2008 - the last time we had a rapid spike in the price of diesel fuel - we were sitting around enjoying a post-race beer. He commented that diesel fuel was losing him $100,000/month. Although the truckers could add a fuel 'surcharge' to cover the increasing costs of diesel fuel, the surcharge was based on the price the previous month. With the price going up so fast, combined with the massive amount of diesel that big '18 wheelers' consume, it was adding up to $100k/month. Presumably be got a lot of that back when the fuel prices plummeted a few months later.
I understand the same sort of thing is happening to truckers now.

Of course, then there is perverted logic that POTUS Biden uses to justify limiting domestic production of petroleum, then turning around and ordering the release of oil from the strategic oil reserve when fuel prices skyrocket. But I digress...
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Why don't we care about the price of Petrol any more?

Well I don't care because I drive a Tesla
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Originally Posted by Sue VÍtements View Post
Why don't we care about the price of Petrol any more?

Well I don't care because I drive a Tesla
Which is the attitude that has made Tesla drivers more hated than Audi/BMW drivers !
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And Iím really concerned that we collectively think that itís a good thing to take a portable fuel like LNG and use it to generate electricity, when weíre swimming in coal. For Godís sake, the UK imports sawdust from the US at who knows how many ďCarbon CreditsĒ worth of bunker oil per bulk carrier load to generate electricity on the fiction that itís Carbon NeutralÖ
Trucks run great on LNG, it is very readily available, and wouldnít need a heck of a lot of infrastructure to make it ubiquitous.

When we piss it all away on stationary electrical generation, we canít get it back.
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Of course, then there is perverted logic that POTUS Biden uses to justify limiting domestic production of petroleum, then turning around and ordering the release of oil from the strategic oil reserve when fuel prices skyrocket. But I digress...
And the irony of his cancellation of the Keystone XL pipeline from Alberta, only to turn around and ask autocratic regimes like Venezuela and Saudi Arabia to pump more oil, has not been lost on his northern neighbours.
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Originally Posted by Sue VÍtements View Post
Why don't we care about the price of Petrol any more?

Well I don't care because I drive a Tesla
More fool you as we are talking about the fuel that delivers your goods which in turn is increasing the prices of everything.
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Originally Posted by Sue VÍtements View Post
Why don't we care about the price of Petrol any more?

Well I don't care because I drive a Tesla
Wait till you get your electric bill.
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Old 14th May 2022, 12:57
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Well that one was easy! Hardly worth the effort really



Which is the attitude that has made Tesla drivers more hated than Audi/BMW drivers
That's such a weird response really. I don't "hate" drivers of ICE vehicles, I'm just glad I made a choice that lets me avoid having to pay sky high prices for fuel for my vehicle. I'm fine with ICE drivers choosing whatever vehicle they think serves their needs


More fool you as we are talking about the fuel that delivers your goods which in turn is increasing the prices of everything
Fair point, except most of what I buy I get from thrift stores or craigslist. I don't need mountains of new furniture and electronics constantly delivered to my front door. Food, sure, but you'd be surprised how easy it is to live cheaply if you shop wisely


Wait till you get your electric bill.
You're assuming I actually get one. To be fair I do, but if I thought I'd be staying in this house long enough I'd have the thing covered with solar panels. As it is, I signed up with Octopus at 10.6c per kWh fixed for three years. My nephews told me UK rates are variable and set by the government ... or something like that. We have private companies that sell the same electricity for differing rates. That too is weird, but advantageous
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Well I don't care because I drive a Tesla
I wonder how your Tesla was delivered to the dealer?
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Old 14th May 2022, 14:00
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I wonder how your Tesla was delivered to the dealer?
Tesla doesn't have dealerships, though I understand what you mean

Yeah, sure it came on the back of an HGV car transporter because the Tesla semi isn't available yet, but so what? I paid a one time delivery fee for that. They then drove it from the Delivery Centre to my house

I still don't understand why ICE drivers get so defensive about EVs. I don't really care what other people drive, I'm just glad I don't have to pay $100 to fill up some unnecessarily large gas guzzling monster every week or two - and yes, that's the US, I understand cars are a lot smaller (dare I say more sensible?) in the UK, but like I say, drive what you want, that's your decision
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Originally Posted by Sue VÍtements View Post









Food, sure, but you'd be surprised how easy it is to live cheaply if you shop wisely




My nephews told me UK rates are variable and set by the government ... or something like that. We have private companies that sell the same electricity for differing rates. That too is weird, but advantageous
First, it may be possible to shop wisely where you are, and it can be to a certain extent in the UK, but, at the moment, it's not really the best statement to make give it sounds remarkably like the utterances from various Gov't Ministers and certainly the one who said basically, we don't need food banks, stopping short, just, of saying we can blame the lack of cooking skills on the cessation of Domestic Science from the education curriculum...thus ensuring women could happily stay at home all day honing their skills to ensure a chap's expectations were jolly well met !

The organisation your nephew refers to is Ofgem. The UK tried the privatisation route, naturally, it's always been a Tory Holy Grail, and, not surprisingly, because it never does, or will, it didn't work as planned.

The energy suppliers just got greedy as usual, those dividends and bonus's have to be funded from somewhere after all !!....however, Ofgem is far from the innocent party here because the organisation used a "light touch " approach as to the suitability of some private suppliers...who clearly, it has emerged, weren't. Which is why everybody is now paying more as the survivors try to recoup their losses from customers whose provider has collapsed.

Incidentally, if a UK organisation is preceded by "Of", it's a glorified paper tiger quango.

What is the energy price cap? (moneysavingexpert.com)
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Originally Posted by Sue VÍtements View Post
You're assuming I actually get one. To be fair I do, but if I thought I'd be staying in this house long enough I'd have the thing covered with solar panels. As it is, I signed up with Octopus at 10.6c per kWh fixed for three years. My nephews told me UK rates are variable and set by the government ... or something like that. We have private companies that sell the same electricity for differing rates. That too is weird, but advantageous
What actually happens in the UK is that electricity is sold by multiple companies that buy electricity on the wholesale market, sell to the retail market, and compete on price; the government sets a price cap.

Unfortunately the wholesale price of electricity is driven by the most expensive producer, which is currently gas (because why would you sell your wind/nuclear/hydro energy at a lower price than you need to?) and as we know the wholesale price of gas has skyrocketed. This has caused some companies to fail (because they'd either over-committed to cheap fixed-rate deals that they could no longer afford to service, or because they couldn't even afford to supply energy at the government price cap at the same time as covering their overheads). The only options open to the government to keep the remaining companies afloat are to cap prices on the wholesale market (which is problematic in a global economy), subsidise power, or raise the retail price cap. They've chosen to do the latter, which means that the retailers are all selling energy at or very close to the price cap. New fixed-rate deals can't even compete with that, so the only people paying significantly less than the price cap are those on legacy fixed-rate deals whose suppliers haven't gone out of business.

At least, that's my understanding of how it works; if I haven't got that quite right I'm sure someone will correct me.
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lol - "privatisation" in the Tory lexicon means giving it to their mates at knock down prices so they can run it into the ground extracting the maximum amount of cake for themselves, then offloading it back to the public sector

It's one thing they're quite good at
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Fuel

I remember being told that petrol was a by product of oil refining! Its where the government gets its spending money from!Someone (401?) Mentioned bunker oil,this is residue from refining.No longer burnt in the uk except possibly for start up of the remaining coal fireds(3?).When the electricity supply industry belonged to the government things were a lot simpler.There was an efficiency league table for all power stations and the grid used them in order,I worked on a top of the league and a bottom of the league station so if the old station was running we knew that demand was high!Now its so complicated!
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Which is the attitude that has made Tesla drivers more hated than Audi/BMW drivers !
I don't care because I drive a Skoda Enyaq.
Now what?
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Meanwhile on our poor, humble little Spanish Islands, the Autonomous Government applied a 20 cent per litre discount to reduce the impact !!
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