The South China Sea's Gathering Storm
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Thanks to Mao's (and later leaders') one child policy and (like the Indians), the Chinese preference for sons, there are about 25 million more males in their early 20s in China today than females. This has the potential for a social time bomb. I hope the Chinese leadership doesn't think a good long term regional war might help employ, (cull?) and distract all those extra young males.
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And now the Philippines!!!!
AW&ST: Tension Between Philippines And China Grows
US to set up command post facing South China Sea?
AW&ST: Tension Between Philippines And China Grows
US to set up command post facing South China Sea?
I had to laugh at the AW&ST article. It started off by saying that China would teach the Phillipines a lesson like it did to North Vietnam.
The PLA had its nose rubbed in the mud by the Vietnamese.
The PLA had its nose rubbed in the mud by the Vietnamese.
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I hope they haven't wrecked my favourite teppanyaki restaurant in Shekou. The steak there is fantastic.
The Chinese are neurotic about their borders; it's a hangover from their perceived injustices by the western nations in the 19th century. They can rattle on about the written proof that they were wherever it was 1,500 years ago because then the Chinese were the big traders in the Far East. However, those events have been overtaken by history and this is something that Beijing is unwilling to grasp.
They are not going to annoy the Japanese too much; there is too much trade involved and certainly not the Americans, who are their 2nd largest market after the EU.
The usual shock, horror, thousands demonstrating in the street. TV running film of the Nanking Massacre where you see young women being dragged off by Japanese soldiers and rows of decapitated bodies. You could get the same thousands into a Chinese shopping mall without being crowded.
Most of them would not have a clue where Diaoyu Islands are and those who looked at a map would not notice the undisputed Japanese islands some 80 miles away. It's all happened before and will happen again.
The leadership in China is going to change soon. This will be forgotten for now.
The Chinese are neurotic about their borders; it's a hangover from their perceived injustices by the western nations in the 19th century. They can rattle on about the written proof that they were wherever it was 1,500 years ago because then the Chinese were the big traders in the Far East. However, those events have been overtaken by history and this is something that Beijing is unwilling to grasp.
They are not going to annoy the Japanese too much; there is too much trade involved and certainly not the Americans, who are their 2nd largest market after the EU.
The usual shock, horror, thousands demonstrating in the street. TV running film of the Nanking Massacre where you see young women being dragged off by Japanese soldiers and rows of decapitated bodies. You could get the same thousands into a Chinese shopping mall without being crowded.
Most of them would not have a clue where Diaoyu Islands are and those who looked at a map would not notice the undisputed Japanese islands some 80 miles away. It's all happened before and will happen again.
The leadership in China is going to change soon. This will be forgotten for now.
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
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Telegraph: China, Japan and the world’s Agadir Crisis (1911)
The Corner: How Close are Japan and China to War?
The Corner: How Close are Japan and China to War?
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Vietnams interest stems from the fact that when the French ran Viet Nam they invaded The Paracel Islands. The Japanese kicked them out during their advance in 1942 even they were not at war with Vichy France. They were surrendered back to China after the war which is the Taiwanese claim for them but by then the Communists had taken over them as part of the civil war. That is the basis of the Peoples Republic's claim.
The Vietnamese had a go at getting them again and were repelled quite easily. It led to a very embarrassed American adviser doing the walk from China to Hong Kong over the Lo Wu bridge.
Try Google Earthing Woody Island Paracel Islands and you will be left in no doubt about who owns it.
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New chinese Carrier in service today
China's first aircraft carrier has entered into service, the Defence Ministry says. The 300m (990ft) Liaoning - named after the province where it was refitted - is a refurbished Soviet ship purchased from Ukraine.
For now the carrier has no operational aircraft and will be used for training.
But China says the vessel, which has undergone extensive sea trials, will increase its capacity to defend state interests.
But China's new carrier is more a symbol of a future capability than a potent naval threat itself. Getting into the carrier business takes time; a whole range of skills has to be learnt; and carriers have to operate with other ships, requiring a new mindset across the navy as a whole. It could be a steep learning curve, but China is moving ahead steadily, taking the first steps on the path to having a fully-fledged carrier force.
It also comes weeks ahead of a party congress expected to see the transition of power to a new generation of Chinese leaders.
The Liaoning was formally handed over to the navy at a ceremony attended by top Chinese leaders at Dalian Port, state-run Xinhua news agency said.
"Having the aircraft carrier enter the ranks will be of important significance in raising the overall fighting capacity of our nation's navy to a modern level," China's Defence Ministry said in a statement.
The vessel will "increase [China's] capacity to defend, develop its capacity to co-operate on the high seas in dealing with non-traditional security threats and will be effective in defending the interests of state sovereignty, security and development", it added.
The Liaoning, formerly known as the Varyag, was constructed in the 1980s for the Soviet navy but was never completed.
When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, the Varyag sat in Ukraine's dockyards. A Chinese company with links to China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) bought the ship just as Soviet warships were being cut for scrap. It said it wanted to turn the Varyag into a floating casino in Macau and in 2001 the ship was towed to China.
The Chinese military confirmed in June 2011 that it was being refitted to serve as the nation's first aircraft carrier.
Analysts say it will take years to outfit the carrier with aircraft and make it fully operational. But Chinese officials say that the Liaoning advances the country's military modernisation.
"The development of aircraft carriers is an important part of China's national defence modernisation, in particular its naval forces, and this aircraft carrier is an essential stepping stone toward its own more advanced aircraft carriers in the future," China's Rear Admiral Yang Yi wrote in state-run China Daily newspaper.
The carrier will be mostly used "for scientific research and training missions" so China could build "a more advanced aircraft carrier platform in the future", he added.
For now the carrier has no operational aircraft and will be used for training.
But China says the vessel, which has undergone extensive sea trials, will increase its capacity to defend state interests.
But China's new carrier is more a symbol of a future capability than a potent naval threat itself. Getting into the carrier business takes time; a whole range of skills has to be learnt; and carriers have to operate with other ships, requiring a new mindset across the navy as a whole. It could be a steep learning curve, but China is moving ahead steadily, taking the first steps on the path to having a fully-fledged carrier force.
It also comes weeks ahead of a party congress expected to see the transition of power to a new generation of Chinese leaders.
The Liaoning was formally handed over to the navy at a ceremony attended by top Chinese leaders at Dalian Port, state-run Xinhua news agency said.
"Having the aircraft carrier enter the ranks will be of important significance in raising the overall fighting capacity of our nation's navy to a modern level," China's Defence Ministry said in a statement.
The vessel will "increase [China's] capacity to defend, develop its capacity to co-operate on the high seas in dealing with non-traditional security threats and will be effective in defending the interests of state sovereignty, security and development", it added.
The Liaoning, formerly known as the Varyag, was constructed in the 1980s for the Soviet navy but was never completed.
When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, the Varyag sat in Ukraine's dockyards. A Chinese company with links to China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) bought the ship just as Soviet warships were being cut for scrap. It said it wanted to turn the Varyag into a floating casino in Macau and in 2001 the ship was towed to China.
The Chinese military confirmed in June 2011 that it was being refitted to serve as the nation's first aircraft carrier.
Analysts say it will take years to outfit the carrier with aircraft and make it fully operational. But Chinese officials say that the Liaoning advances the country's military modernisation.
"The development of aircraft carriers is an important part of China's national defence modernisation, in particular its naval forces, and this aircraft carrier is an essential stepping stone toward its own more advanced aircraft carriers in the future," China's Rear Admiral Yang Yi wrote in state-run China Daily newspaper.
The carrier will be mostly used "for scientific research and training missions" so China could build "a more advanced aircraft carrier platform in the future", he added.
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Regarding the ongoing island dispute:-
Taiwan, Japan fire water cannon in disputed island controversy | Fox News
Taiwan, Japan fire water cannon in disputed island controversy | Fox News
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been watching this from day one. It will get hot mid november just for the lap dogs master (Obama)
It's Chinas land,
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China has published a white paper outlining their claim to the Diaoyu Islands. It's a long and interesting read, available by courtesy of Xinhuanet.
Full Text: Diaoyu Dao, an Inherent Territory of China - Xinhua | English.news.cn
Full Text: Diaoyu Dao, an Inherent Territory of China - Xinhua | English.news.cn
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well it would wouldn't it?
These sort of claims can only be sorted out by negotiation between the parties or with a reference to the Hague and the sooner they start talking the better
These sort of claims can only be sorted out by negotiation between the parties or with a reference to the Hague and the sooner they start talking the better
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Having the aircraft carrier enter the ranks will be of important significance in raising the overall fighting capacity of our nation's navy to a modern level
I can't help feeling that in the age of the cruise missile, the carrier may be about to go the way of the battleship. Hell, even the Brunei navy can sink an aircraft carrier, or the whole carrier group if they felt like sending all their boats out - as long as their opponent wasn't expecting it. I'm a short-arse myself and learned early in my school career that the best way to deal with big boy bullies was to go directly for their goolies while they were still talking tough (think Pearl Harbour).
Blacksheep, good points on capital ships and their "day in the sun."
I'll suggest to you that torpedoes remain a simpler way to sink a carrier than cruise missiles. The concession I'll make to the cruise missile approach is the concept of the saturation raid: quantity does indeed have a quality all its own ... if you can keep one's own guidance methods from interfering with one another as the attacking party.
Mines and torpedoes operate under the premise that
It is easier to sink a ship by letting water in from the bottom (torpedo) than it is to do so by trying to let the air out from the top (bomb/missile).
I'll suggest to you that torpedoes remain a simpler way to sink a carrier than cruise missiles. The concession I'll make to the cruise missile approach is the concept of the saturation raid: quantity does indeed have a quality all its own ... if you can keep one's own guidance methods from interfering with one another as the attacking party.
Mines and torpedoes operate under the premise that
It is easier to sink a ship by letting water in from the bottom (torpedo) than it is to do so by trying to let the air out from the top (bomb/missile).