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Old 31st Jul 2022, 19:40
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Doubtless Russian fomented to distract from the war in Ukraine. One hope the new Chinese SAW will be appropriately targeted…

Check this thread out vis-a'-vis on the military tension spike at the Serbian-Kosovo border.

The Serb President says Kosovo is about to attack, has moved Serb troops to the border & blockaded cross-border vehicle traffic.

Border 'Firefights' are reported….
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Didn't we put this to bed in the 90's?
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Been going for over a 1000 years - a bit naive to think one minor intervention would kill it off…
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reported gunfire,
Air raid sirens in north kosovo verified.

https://ukranews.com/en/news/872888-...-on-full-alert

with all those air defence systems delivered from the Chinese this April is this a part of the putin puzzle play. Serb wildcard to pull out to distract from ukraine at an appropriate (possibly important) time. and give the chinese a sandbox to test there stuff in the field.
It Could be quite a headache. possibly
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Tensions are very high currently between Serbia and Kosovo, with reports of barricades going up in Serb areas of the province and clashes. It’s an evolving situation tonight but it’s possible that Serbia has upped the ante as part of a geopolitical move coordinated with Russia.

NATO has described the situation as tense, notes it is ready to intervene *if* stability is jeopardised and restates its commitment to political process between Kosovo and Serbia…



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A remarkably naive view of how difficult it would be to persuade anyone to launch aircraft into any conflict where the Serbs have latest generation SAW - let alone commit to offensive operations…

I am not even checking what is happening between Serbia and Kosovo.

Because there are 2 foreign military commands in Kosovo: an American and an Italian, which have an US Air Force F-16C Block 40 wing at Aviano and an Italian Air Force Eurofighter wing at Gioia del Colle and an F-35A wing at Amendola, plus an Italian Army paratroopers brigade at Pisa & a US Army airborne brigade at Aviano as backup.

If the Serbians do something stupid it will take 2 hours for the first of 100+ fighter-bombers to appear above the Serbian troops... & kill them all.
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The letter "Z" used by #Russian Army invading #Ukraine has been observed on the helmets of Serbian forces on the border with #Kosovo as both countries mass military equipment to their borders.



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I hope its just a Very local administration issue, the change date is the 1st august. https://www.rferl.org/a/kosovo-serbi.../31967812.html

Hard to imagine how only a generation later some are so eager to relive horrors of there relatives in the 90s. But perhaps the serbs are as indoctrinated as a good proportion of the russians are.

Lets just hope its a licensing issue.
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Originally Posted by MJ89 View Post
I hope its just a Very local administration issue, the change date is the 1st august. https://www.rferl.org/a/kosovo-serbi.../31967812.html

Hard to imagine how only a generation later some are so eager to relive horrors of there relatives in the 90s. But perhaps the serbs are as indoctrinated as a good proportion of the russians are.

Lets just hope its a licensing issue.
Suspect the mutual confidence there is zero, so any change in the status quo will be seen as a way to inflict harm by one of the parties.
In Jerusalem for example, the management of the various Christian holy places is super regulated by the various denominations that control them individually.
No change is possible without massive effort to ensure agreement by all parties.
Same here, no administrative issue is ever local in this situation, but rather will be seen as part of a salami slice tactic.
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Russia would benefit from the distraction of Serbia and Kosovo tensions. Didn't end well last time. The damage from 1999's bombing was still evident in 2014. ''Such a development of events is more evidence of the failure of the mediation mission of the European Union. This is also an example of what place Serbia has been prepared for in the European Union by offering Belgrade to de facto put up with the lack of rights of its compatriots,''
Maria Zakharova, spokeswoman for Russia’s Foreign Ministry.

And yet she is a mouthpiece for her govt's genocide in Ukraine, and doesn't gag on the use of the term "provocation" by the Russian FM.


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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
A remarkably naive view of how difficult it would be to persuade anyone to launch aircraft into any conflict where the Serbs have latest generation SAW -
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SAW ? I only know this as Squad Automatic Weapon, presumably not meant here .
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SAW = Surface to Air Weapons.

A generic term covering SAM, AA guns, [email protected] and anything else such as EMP you might think of.

https://www.abbreviationfinder.org/a...ir-weapon.html

Latest Serbian system.


https://en.missilery.info/missile/hq-22
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This won't end well.
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https://rs.n1info.com/english/news/s...on-of-balkans/

Serbian ruling party MP: Serbia might have to begin denazification of Balkans

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As clumsy as Milosevic was as a leader, it would appear that the new generation are no improvement if that MP's remarks are any indication.
Has anyone sent a Memo to the Bulgarians, explaining that they are now Nazis?

The Balkans _ what is it anyway?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ropa_03_01.png
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Serbian ruling party MP: Serbia might have to begin denazification of Balkans
Did no one tell the MP that bigger portion of the Balkan peninsula is NATO territory. Rather bold statement of said MP. Unless he meant to denazify himself.
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Didn't we put this to bed in the 90's?
Paddy Ashdown said in the late 1990s that he felt peace in the Balkans would last for about 20 years, which was just long enough for a new generation that had never experienced the war to come into adulthood, and for the generation that did experience it to forget the horror. Incidentally, he noted, pre-Tito the ethnic conflicts would typically flare up every 20 years or so.
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Six Y 20 aircraft delivered some missiles in April. Will that be enough for a prolonged conflict or just enough fireworks for a large display ?
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I spent six months of my life in Sarajevo in 1997/8 as the UK military representative at the OHR - (Office of the High Representative) a UN position.

Kosovo was going on while I was there.

I was not at all impressed by the peace dividend that had allegedly been brokered, and spent most of my time trying to keep Serbs, Croats and Bosniaks at peace and talking to each other. I never thought that I was successful in my endeavours. They did not seem keen to get on with each other.

So I am not at all surprised that Serbia is possibly acting as a surrogate to Putin's current Ukraine adventure. Putin might enjoy a distraction west from what he seems to be up to in Ukraine, and Serbia would probably enjoy their efforts at regional domination as well.

The world is not as peaceful as it was during the Cold War.

Just my opinion.

Does anyone have an answer?
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