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Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
16th Dec 2019, 20:49
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

The name is Porter ; Collins descended below...

The name is Porter ;

Collins descended below MSA based on achieving visual reference with ground or water .................................................NO, Collins was in VMC when he descended...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
16th Dec 2019, 06:39
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

No, that statement is incorrect and written by a...

No, that statement is incorrect and written by a person or persons with a limited command of the english language and even less knowledge about aircraft navigation systems.

The following...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
16th Dec 2019, 01:43
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

The media is only interested in stories that sell...

The media is only interested in stories that sell newspapers. There are no stories here. That news is 40 years old Mate and is old hat. Now there is just rehashing of those events, the desire to...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
15th Dec 2019, 09:30
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

The Honorable Justice Peter Mahon never singled...

The Honorable Justice Peter Mahon never singled out any individuals as responsible for the accident. It was not in his mandate to do that. The only "finger pointing" was done at the conclusion of the...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
15th Dec 2019, 06:31
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

Yep, they sure did but with one omission,...

Yep, they sure did but with one omission, changing the final way point (so as the track change flew directly over Erebus) without telling the crew. Of course, the Navigation Department only had to do...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
14th Dec 2019, 23:09
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

Justice Mahon also exonerated Hewitt, Gemmel,...

Justice Mahon also exonerated Hewitt, Gemmel, Hawkins, Vette, Davis, Muldoon and many other individuals involved in this terrible disaster. Unlike the Chippendale report that pointed the finger...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
14th Dec 2019, 09:14
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

............I shall give both the respect they...

............I shall give both the respect they deserve. How magnanimous of you PapaHotel6.

............represents blind faith or blunted intellect or both; so in using the term "Mahon disciple" I...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
12th Dec 2019, 06:42
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

Is that similar to the confirmation of bias?...

Is that similar to the confirmation of bias? .................No?...........seriously, you are kidding.............rrreeeeeeeaaaaaly?........................gimmee the hose pick AGAIN Mamma!!!

May...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
12th Dec 2019, 05:35
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

That's a classic thank you Jack. I'm going to use...

That's a classic thank you Jack. I'm going to use that at the family get together on Christmas Day when the time comes around for telling jokes!
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
12th Dec 2019, 05:26
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

No !!....................seriously, you're not...

No !!....................seriously, you're not kidding are you?........................reeeaaaaally ?...........................gimmee the hose pick Mamma!!!!!!!

That is fact, tell me why you...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
12th Dec 2019, 00:16
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

Ah, I feel the end is nigh for the 40 years...

Ah, I feel the end is nigh for the 40 years debate on Erebus.

The winner is still the Mahon Camp because:

1. No new evidence to dispute any of the findings in the Mahon Inquiry during the past...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
10th Dec 2019, 06:02
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

See post #336 and search your heart out. It was...

See post #336 and search your heart out. It was all debated, rebated and sedated fifteen (15) years ago.
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
10th Dec 2019, 05:37
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

ampan, I have debated many points with yourself...

ampan, I have debated many points with yourself and others on this subject and in this forum. As I advised mourno and suggest you do the same, search this website and you will find all the debate you...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
10th Dec 2019, 00:00
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

I shall not waste bandwidth with a single reply...

I shall not waste bandwidth with a single reply to your question as I have made myself clear on this subject many times on this forum. Search "Erebus 25 years on" and this present thread and you will...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
9th Dec 2019, 08:37
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

Piggy Muldoon was a tough old bastard (read his...

Piggy Muldoon was a tough old bastard (read his autobiography). Trouble with Piggy, on this occasion, he couldn't pick a winner. Ron Chippendale was a gentle giant and true gentleman and was...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
9th Dec 2019, 05:28
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

I love the child-like naivety of your suggestion...

I love the child-like naivety of your suggestion Porter.

Who would you have preside over this investigation? You would never get a public prosecutor because successive governments have already...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
8th Dec 2019, 01:16
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

Quote: Confirmation Bias: bias that results from...

Quote: Confirmation Bias: bias that results from the tendency to process and analyze information in such a way that it supports one’s preexisting ideas and convictions:

Mahon had no pre-existing...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
7th Dec 2019, 22:49
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

You're confused putting the cart before the...

You're confused putting the cart before the horse. It was the body of evidence (read: the orchestrated litany of lies) that lead Mahon to his conclusion.
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
7th Dec 2019, 20:32
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

Thank you PH6 and edited accordingly. A mental...

Thank you PH6 and edited accordingly. A mental flash back to the 60's briefly whilst typing I guess, I was a big Beatles fan!
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
7th Dec 2019, 08:56
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

Yes, very simple morno. How simple the Navigation...

Yes, very simple morno. How simple the Navigation Dept changing the co-ordinates of the final way point the night before Jim Collin's flight and just telling him the next day before the flight...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
7th Dec 2019, 05:58
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

Whilst reading that article by Mayne Hawkins, I...

Whilst reading that article by Mayne Hawkins, I got the same uneasy feeling I experienced when watching the BBC interview with Prince Andrew about his relationship with Jeffery Epstein and a young...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
6th Dec 2019, 20:51
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

I am sure if Collins had been told that the track...

I am sure if Collins had been told that the track had been changed the night before he would have done exactly that. To quote Paul Lupp, Hindsight is nearly always 20:20
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
5th Dec 2019, 20:13
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

I notice you have left out two important IF(s). ...

I notice you have left out two important IF(s).
- if the Navigation Section hadn't changed the final waypoint to a position directly behind high terrain.
- if after making this change, had advised...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
5th Dec 2019, 04:34
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

Chronic Snoozer says: "So you're saying that...

Chronic Snoozer says:
"So you're saying that anyone who questions with the outcome of the Mahon inquiry (which of course was infallible) is either ignorant or fails to grasp the facts?"

Not at...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
4th Dec 2019, 23:56
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

".... there is no-one here that I am aware of who...

".... there is no-one here that I am aware of who is suggesting the cause was "only Collins".

Jim Collins and his crew had nothing whatsoever to do with the cause of this accident as has been...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
4th Dec 2019, 06:47
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

''.....................in the face of...

''.....................in the face of deteriorating weather, with five or six extra people in the cockpit causing some distraction during the critical period.''

You sound so much like ampan.
...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
3rd Dec 2019, 05:39
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

There would have been no need to debate LSALT,...

There would have been no need to debate LSALT, what constitutes VMC conditions, white out, CVR recordings, FDR configurations and the plethora of other assumptions, innuendos, insinuations and...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
2nd Dec 2019, 20:32
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

"......................... But the bad decisions...

"......................... But the bad decisions had already been made."

Two actually, changing the position of the final way point and not telling the crew.
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
1st Dec 2019, 05:28
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

I'm with you Paragraph377 and anyway, as your...

I'm with you Paragraph377 and anyway, as your leader correctly and succinctly states (along with all the other expert legal boffins involved in this accident):

"In particular, the Privy Council...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
30th Nov 2019, 23:16
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

prospector says "………….One point that has not...

prospector says

"………….One point that has not been put forward is the fact that the airline could very well have only used two crews for all these flights."

Hindsight is a beautiful thing.
...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
29th Nov 2019, 02:17
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

Not only the Mahon inquiry. The Privy Council,...

Not only the Mahon inquiry. The Privy Council, Air New Zealand and the New Zealand government all, finally, conceded pilot error was NOT a factor in this Accident.
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
29th Nov 2019, 00:33
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

Too much wine over lunch. ...

Too much wine over lunch.


......................the captain can't be entirely exonerated.

He was and that finding is now etched in stone. A indisputable fact that can be debated ad infinitum...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
28th Nov 2019, 20:10
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

......................the captain can't be...

......................the captain can't be entirely exonerated.

He was and that finding is now etched in stone. A indisputable fact that can be debated ad infinitum but it will make no difference.
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
28th Nov 2019, 05:14
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

"In particular, the Privy Council said, and I...

"In particular, the Privy Council said, and I quote, “the Royal Commission Report convincingly clears Captain Collins and First Officer Cassin of any suggestion that negligence on their part had in...
Forum: Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
27th Nov 2019, 06:07
Replies: 502
Views: 161,725
Posted By 3 Holer

Why the debate? The Honorable Justice Mahon...

Why the debate?

The Honorable Justice Mahon cleared Collins and his crew of any blame, Air NZ and the NZ government cleared Collins and his crew of any blame (by their puerile attempts to withhold...
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