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Old 11th Nov 2019, 15:01
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ERJ 145 off piste at O’Hare


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That runway surface looks suboptimal.
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The inboards came up though. Does it have outboard spoilers?
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Also Spoilers, which would have been very helpful. Had they deployed.....
It looks to me like the ground spoilers did deploy and were stowed as the plane went off the side of the runway.

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From the Newspaper

"There was no visibility at all," said passenger Luis Torres Curet. "The first visibility of the city we got it maybe 50 feet from the ground? That's dangerous. You don't need to do that."

I assume that Luis Torres would be the first to complain when he can't fly anywhere in winter due to weather at the destination airport....

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It looks to me like the ground spoilers did deploy and were stowed as the plane went off the side of the runway.
I'n not a 145 driver but a quick search showed the Ground Spoiler System consists of 4 panels. 2 Inboard, 2 out. While I was watching the video on a phone and the low contrast between the wings and sky made it hard to see the inboards, the outboards absolutely did not pop....
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Originally Posted by neilki
I'n not a 145 driver but a quick search showed the Ground Spoiler System consists of 4 panels. 2 Inboard, 2 out. While I was watching the video on a phone and the low contrast between the wings and sky made it hard to see the inboards, the outboards absolutely did not pop....
That's right. I was able to watch in slow motion and frame-by-frame on my big, hi-res desktop monitors and the outboard spoilers didn't deploy.
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That's right. I was able to watch in slow motion and frame-by-frame on my big, hi-res desktop monitors and the outboard spoilers didn't deploy.
The outboard spoilers on an ERJ-145 aren't supposed to deploy on landing, right?
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Looks like they got sideways early on in the incident.. very reminiscent of the Delta Mad Dog aiming for Bowery Bay at LGA a few years ago. Loss of directional control due rudder blanking...https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/...ts/AAR1602.pdf
Some discussion over at APC..https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/e...way-video.html
Glad to see everyone got off OK, I'd characterize it as a 'Racing Incident' Landing (or taxying) on icy runways can be frightening...
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Originally Posted by Airbubba
The outboard spoilers on an ERJ-145 aren't supposed to deploy on landing, right?
I don't know.

Edit: Ah. The images in your post just now appeared on my screen, Bubba.
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Anyone else think that the flaps looked to be nearer to a takeoff setting than a landing one? I will state that I'm not familiar with the 145 flap settings available.
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Originally Posted by Airbubba




The outboard spoilers on an ERJ-145 aren't supposed to deploy on landing, right?
I stand corrected, 20:20 -just the inboards..
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I like the comment, “I think we landed” after coming to a stop.

Technically correct.
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Originally Posted by neilki
I'n not a 145 driver but a quick search showed the Ground Spoiler System consists of 4 panels. 2 Inboard, 2 out. While I was watching the video on a phone and the low contrast between the wings and sky made it hard to see the inboards, the outboards absolutely did not pop....
The spoilers deployed. The tiny bit you can see in the video is the outboard spoiler.

The big part you’re looking at that covers most of the wing isn’t a spoiler.
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Originally Posted by neilki
Landing (or taxying) on icy runways can be frightening...
In the pax video, that runway looks very slick. It will be interesting to learn what preceding pilots had to say about braking effectiveness.

Lots of flights apparently canceled at O'Hare due to weather, this a.m. Passenger on the incident flight told the local CBS station that they had missed and gone around once before the slippy-slidey landing.

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Remember the Bristol BaCitiExpress EMB145 incident. When the wheels locked, didn't teh spoilers auto stow or something which hastened the departure from the end?
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From the news
The FAA issued a statement saying, "At approximately 7:45 am this morning, an Embraer 145 regional jet arriving from Greensboro, NC, landed at Chicago O'Hare International Airport on Runway 10 Left and slid off the runway while attempting to exit at Taxiway P4. The aircraft's right main landing gear collapsed. Passengers deplaned via air stairs and were placed on a bus to the terminal. No injuries were reported. The FAA will investigate."
Is P4 the last Taxiway?
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Originally Posted by FrequentSLF
Is P4 the last Taxiway?
No, it's not even halfway down the 13000 foot runway.


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Originally Posted by RVF750
Remember the Bristol BaCitiExpress EMB145 incident. When the wheels locked, didn't teh spoilers auto stow or something which hastened the departure from the end?
Erm, no, and it didn't go off the end of Bristol runway, rather the side, it was the second 'off' we had during that day, an ATR did same earlier, root cause was shoddy runway resurfacing. Its all in the relevant AAIB report.
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Aviation Herald says that braking action was reported as "medium" at the time, changed to "poor" post-accident.
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