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Given the video does not include whether any failures occurred prior to touch or during the roll out, if this was intentional, the attention gathered by most points to an amazing landing in some quarters ......
Then again, the FCTM alludes to something different .
Credit to Bigjettv for his video.
Then again, the FCTM alludes to something different .
Credit to Bigjettv for his video.
Ex-Vulcan pilot showing how long he can hold the nosewheels off?
Probably in the sim tomorrow...... to show them how to do it?
Probably in the sim tomorrow...... to show them how to do it?
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Did that often to clear at block 17 high speed with atc permission which saved us 5 mins taxy time without any problems..but then again I didn't work for big airlines anymore.
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Let me guess........auto brakes zero so the nose doesn’t come down trying to slam onto the pavement(sort of like the 727-200 was).
This was the kind of rollout one could get on the 747 on a regular basis.
This was the kind of rollout one could get on the 747 on a regular basis.
It isn’t an approved technique because it invalidates the landing performance calculation (although that particular runway is long) plus it significantly increases the risk of a tail strike as elevator authority decreases. Tyres on tarmac with the lift dumped (spoilers and low aoa) produce an order of magnitude more braking force than aerodynamic braking. It can help on a slippery grass runway but not on tarmac.
Why anyone would do it is beyond me, especially when LIFO+ includes MOP and disciplinaries.
Why anyone would do it is beyond me, especially when LIFO+ includes MOP and disciplinaries.
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Not really - the criteria for automatic deployment is:
The main landing gear is on the ground
The speedbrake lever is in the ARMED position
Both left and right thrust resolver angles are not at the takeoff position
Both thrust resolver angle signals are valid.
MM 27-62-00
The main landing gear is on the ground
The speedbrake lever is in the ARMED position
Both left and right thrust resolver angles are not at the takeoff position
Both thrust resolver angle signals are valid.
MM 27-62-00
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Perhaps landing 27R and parking in T5 reduces taxi time if able to stay on the runway longer at higher speed and vacate near the opposite end provided of course ATC are happy with it.
Yes it does but you still do not hold the nosewheel off the ground. You land in accordance with SOP,s - it will have triggered a SESMA event to which the crew may have to justify their actions
From the video, the manoeuvre seems to me to be elegantly executed. The flare attitude was held exactly, despite diminishing elevator authority, until the nose was lowered. There was no danger of a tail-strike at any time. The runway is long, and if ATC didn't need them to get off quickly because there was someone coming behind, they had no need for urgent speed reduction; rather the contrary, if this was 27R, as T5 is at the far end.
Contrary to SOPs, no doubt, and from what others are saying, maybe in BA's world that will get them shot, if only to discourage other pilots. But it's a pity, just the same. BA should be proud to have such a skilful pilot.
Contrary to SOPs, no doubt, and from what others are saying, maybe in BA's world that will get them shot, if only to discourage other pilots. But it's a pity, just the same. BA should be proud to have such a skilful pilot.
From the video, the manoeuvre seems to me to be elegantly executed. The flare attitude was held exactly, despite diminishing elevator authority, until the nose was lowered. There was no danger of a tail-strike at any time. The runway is long, and if ATC didn't need them to get off quickly because there was someone coming behind, they had no need for urgent speed reduction; rather the contrary, if this was 27R, as T5 is at the far end.
Contrary to SOPs, no doubt, and from what others are saying, maybe in BA's world that will get them shot, if only to discourage other pilots. But it's a pity, just the same. BA should be proud to have such a skilful pilot.
Contrary to SOPs, no doubt, and from what others are saying, maybe in BA's world that will get them shot, if only to discourage other pilots. But it's a pity, just the same. BA should be proud to have such a skilful pilot.