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Old 26th Sep 2021, 12:58
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You can't seriously be suggesting that loads a couple of weeks ago are any sort of barometer for demand in normal times. I suspect the PCR tests required by UK government on return would have cost considerably more than the ticket price most people paid.
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 13:43
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Perhaps not, but with the constantly cancellations and schedule changes, will the route perform any better next summer? Take a look on social media. Many vowing they'll never use the airport or Wizz again.
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 14:02
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It's a common mistake to think social media is real life. You constantly see comments about people never using Ryanair and last time I looked they were still one of Europ'es largest airlines.

Anybody get a list of airlines or airports which haven't taken stick for cancellations and schedule changes?
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 17:10
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100%. Returned from a sun destination last week. Busiest flight seemed to be a TUI to Newcastle which filled a couple of buses so guessing 120ish. Mine was circa 45% full and schedule dropped from 4 to 3 weekly quite late notice. A TUI to MAN was in the air 35 mins early so while I didn’t see it board I’m assuming to achieve that it was fairly lightly loaded. Outbound the other Jet2 flight heading to Spain looked fairly light on numbers considering it was a weekend. My outbound had just over 100.
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Old 26th Sep 2021, 19:20
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Timmy has been campaigning for Doncaster to close for years. His posts are full of doom and gloom which often does not happen. He is the opposite of mystic meg. I would not get excited about anything he says.
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 17:37
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For anyone doubting Wizz - read the below link!

Wizz Expansion

1.5M seats between April and October 2022 is staggering growth for them at the airport - and also the airport.

Should push the airport towards 3M passengers in 2022 with TUI growth.
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 17:50
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I'll eat my words!

Surely that many seats would need a couple of extra based aircraft? Great news either way
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 18:42
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Not for the first time!

Just remind us when Wizz are leaving DSA to start their Leeds base? This news really underlines just how little factual information Timmy has about DSA and it’s operations.

Why will Wizz need to base any more aircraft than they are planning to?
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 18:48
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An increase of a million seats compared to summer 2019 would need more than 2 based aircraft.
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 19:23
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Do not have to be based aircraft to operate the routes !
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 19:29
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I know that, but there has been no increase to the non based services looking at the timeable for next summer, alas, you'd need some increases compared to the existing schedule to achieve anywhere near 1.5 million seats over a 7 month period.

I'm waging that we will hear news of at least one more based aircraft soon.
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 19:41
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Why only one? Surely you could ask your contact who works in Peel, or that one that works in Swissport, or that one that works for Doncaster Free Press, they’ll be able to provide you with that accurate, up to the minute information you’ve so frequently provided in the past.
Just remind us when Wizz are leaving DSA to swap all their operations to Leeds?
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 19:42
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Who says they’re only basing two aircraft?
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 19:45
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Read the press release
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Old 7th Oct 2021, 22:23
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I have done have you? I appreciate accuracy isn’t your (or your mates at DFP), strong point regarding DSA, but please show us where it says two based aircraft.
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 11:25
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The two based aircraft were to bring 560,000 seats per annum but an A321 has 230 seats so with six rotation per day would bring 503,700 available seats each.

A bit of analysis from previous press releases shows 736,000 seats in 2019 from non based routes - an average of nearly 9 rotations per day over 365 days,

1.5M seats between April and October (214 days) would need 30 rotations per day average to reach that number.

So with 12 based rotations and nearly 9 non based rotations, it leaves quite a gap to fill if the figures are not spin.

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Old 8th Oct 2021, 19:33
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1.5M will be one way seats, so 15 rotations, 30 sectors will deliver the number. 6 rotations based and 9 non based will deliver that
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 20:58
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On 28 July I booked DSA-ALC for Tues 14 Sept & ALC-DSA for Thurs 7 Oct. and booked local car hire to match.
On 6 Aug I was notified that ALC-DSA would now be re-scheduled to Tues 5 Oct. & requested change to car hire.
On 25 Aug I was notified that ALC-DSA would be re-scheduled to Wed 6 Oct & requested another change to car hire, fortunately with small family company who, although having a very busy period were able to accommodate the changes.
Again, fortunately, we have our own property so didnt have to amend rental dates.
Whilst we were away, met with friends who had travelled from DSA with Wizz. They had originally booked DSA-ALC-DSA with Wizz last year & had 3 return journeys cancelled so this their 1st trip with Wizz. A few days before departing DSA they had booked another DSA-ALC-DSA with Wizz for 30 Oct - 20 Nov. During our meeting they looked angry & frustrated. Just been notified that the ALC-DSA return leg had been re-scheduled to 30 Oct. THE SAME DAY, PLANE & CREW that they arrived with.
We also heard by phone from other friends still in UK who the previous week had booked with Wizz DSA-ALC-DSA for 20 Oct - 10 Nov. They had just been notified that ALC-DSA return leg had been rescheduled to 23 Oct. 3 DAYS after they arrive. They had just re-booked for similar dates from LBA with LS. A lot more cost plus 100 to park car.
We are all typical of many regular travellers on this route from DSA, some who we know personally.

So you are very correct in describing the unreliability & lack of passenger confidence with Wizz in the future.
Incidentally, our outbound on 14 Sept had approx 80 to 90 passengers & return 2 days ago was almost full, presumably from consolidating the 2 originally scheduled flights.
I have already been looking at flights to ALC for several trips next year from either LBA or EMA whether Wizz operates it or not. We live 5 minutes from DSA & I think we are representative of a great number of potential passenger.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 09:05
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This doesn't stack up.

EGCN points out what would be needed to deliver the seats they are advertising.

Personally I think this is just a marketing ploy to make up for all the cancelled flights etc.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 15:44
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The 1.5M is arriving and departing seats
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