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I fear Finningley as a commercial airport is now a dead duck whether or not Peel flog it.
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But what kind of outcome would be positive? The PAX operators have moved to pastures new, cargo similarly. Clearly they had no choice, but even if hypothetically a new buyer were found that took over the airport, and reopened to commercial traffic where would the business come from? Are TUI and Wizz going come return? Possibly, but unlikely. If the cargo operators have found they have viable alternatives will they be prepared to come back?
I fear Finningley as a commercial airport is now a dead duck whether or not Peel flog it.
I fear Finningley as a commercial airport is now a dead duck whether or not Peel flog it.
The word from the council and MPs were that TUI would definitely come back if the airport reopened.
Whoever the potential buyers are, it is led to believe they have far deeper pockets than Peel and have experience in the indurstry.
We shall see, however I do share the opinion that it is game over.
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So who are the UAE investors and how will the local authority fund a compulsory purchase order? According to what I read today, expect a 'possible' re-opening in the Spring 2023.
Mate of mine phoned me yesterday. 2 Excel have bomb burst out from DSA. HUY, MME and Sywell for the Blades. DSA is a dead ex RAF base now. The Brexit recession will confirm the death. Lots of people voted for it.
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It's a true fact, smell the onions. No hate at all. Teesside lacked investment in the late 90s until the latter days of Peel when the terminal was improved, lighting and ILS but still CAT 1. The current team are hopefully doing their best.
Take a look in the movement records you will see weeks in the winter when Teesside took diversions from Leeds and Newcastle and now nothing as Leeds and Newcastle has the better kit. And did I mention fog closures at Teesside well NO!
Take a look in the movement records you will see weeks in the winter when Teesside took diversions from Leeds and Newcastle and now nothing as Leeds and Newcastle has the better kit. And did I mention fog closures at Teesside well NO!
You completely miss my point.... why are you hating on Teesside again.
I know the historical records very well.
You however obviously don't understand what the equipment does! Teesside doesn't really need (cost vs reward) currently anymore than CAT 1 and investing in CAT 2 or better isn't going to magically persuade (visibility) diverts from LBA or NCL if they have the necessary CAT rating to allow landings in adverse conditions.
Basically once NCL and LBA had invested in the equipment it wouldn't really matter what Teesside had, but lets not allow that to get in the way of your Teesside hating agenda!
Brexit didn't stop customers booking TUI Holidays, and it didn't force out the Wizz Air East European flights - they continue at LBA now. Cargo, 2Excel and specialist operators such as NPAS and HM Coastguard were doing just fine at DSA too.
But by all means deny reality and blame everything on Brexit. The £500Bn bill for coronapanic in the UK has nothing to do with the recession, right? And how about war between Russia and Ukraine which caused fuel prices to spike? No, let's ignore all that and just blame those who exercised their democratic right to vote to leave the EU.
DSA has proven to be a perennial loss maker throughout the tenure of Peel with no obvious solution to reverse that. But it occupies land which will be worth a lucrative valuation if redeveloped for warehousing and logistics. Peel is first and foremost a property developer. That's the real issue, not Brexit voters.
Interesting that you conveniently ignore the crippling cost of COVID ... overwhelmingly the most catastrophic episode afflicting commercial aviation since WW2 ... in order to shift blame to Brexit. Selective memory, perhaps?
interesting that someone who appears to be Australian living in Australia seems to know just how well BREXIT worked out................... the fact that no politician mentions it now tells you all you need to know. But up to a point it wasn't that that killed DSA- it was just the wrong airport in the wrong place - it was always struggling at the bottom of the pile.
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Interesting...............
Removal of Doncaster Sheffield Airport airspace Airspace change ID: ACP-2022-082 Current status:PAUSED The CAA has paused this ACP as we have been informed by Doncaster Sheffield Airport (DSA) that the provision of air traffic services for DSA airspace will remain in place until further notice. We will be working with all parties to establish an understanding of the full proposal. Current step: Step 1a Created: 31 October 2022 Last updated: 17 November 2022
Removal of Doncaster Sheffield Airport airspace Airspace change ID: ACP-2022-082 Current status:PAUSED The CAA has paused this ACP as we have been informed by Doncaster Sheffield Airport (DSA) that the provision of air traffic services for DSA airspace will remain in place until further notice. We will be working with all parties to establish an understanding of the full proposal. Current step: Step 1a Created: 31 October 2022 Last updated: 17 November 2022
Interesting...............
Removal of Doncaster Sheffield Airport airspace Airspace change ID: ACP-2022-082 Current status:PAUSED The CAA has paused this ACP as we have been informed by Doncaster Sheffield Airport (DSA) that the provision of air traffic services for DSA airspace will remain in place until further notice. We will be working with all parties to establish an understanding of the full proposal. Current step: Step 1a Created: 31 October 2022 Last updated: 17 November 2022
Removal of Doncaster Sheffield Airport airspace Airspace change ID: ACP-2022-082 Current status:PAUSED The CAA has paused this ACP as we have been informed by Doncaster Sheffield Airport (DSA) that the provision of air traffic services for DSA airspace will remain in place until further notice. We will be working with all parties to establish an understanding of the full proposal. Current step: Step 1a Created: 31 October 2022 Last updated: 17 November 2022
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QUOTE: interesting that someone who appears to be Australian living in Australia seems to know just how well BREXIT worked out.
Obviously, the concept of air travel is new to you? We're not all rooted to the spot! And both the UK and Australia enjoy internet access for keeping up with the news. As do the many other countries which I visit.
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Why? At the moment the airport is still open, Controllers, Operational Staff, and Fire Crew are still employed. Let's see what happens before we write the thread off.
Interesting that you conveniently ignore the crippling cost of COVID ... overwhelmingly the most catastrophic episode afflicting commercial aviation since WW2 ... in order to shift blame to Brexit. Selective memory, perhaps?
Brexit didn't stop customers booking TUI Holidays, and it didn't force out the Wizz Air East European flights - they continue at LBA now. Cargo, 2Excel and specialist operators such as NPAS and HM Coastguard were doing just fine at DSA too.
But by all means deny reality and blame everything on Brexit. The £500Bn bill for coronapanic in the UK has nothing to do with the recession, right? And how about war between Russia and Ukraine which caused fuel prices to spike? No, let's ignore all that and just blame those who exercised their democratic right to vote to leave the EU.
DSA has proven to be a perennial loss maker throughout the tenure of Peel with no obvious solution to reverse that. But it occupies land which will be worth a lucrative valuation if redeveloped for warehousing and logistics. Peel is first and foremost a property developer. That's the real issue, not Brexit voters.
Brexit didn't stop customers booking TUI Holidays, and it didn't force out the Wizz Air East European flights - they continue at LBA now. Cargo, 2Excel and specialist operators such as NPAS and HM Coastguard were doing just fine at DSA too.
But by all means deny reality and blame everything on Brexit. The £500Bn bill for coronapanic in the UK has nothing to do with the recession, right? And how about war between Russia and Ukraine which caused fuel prices to spike? No, let's ignore all that and just blame those who exercised their democratic right to vote to leave the EU.
DSA has proven to be a perennial loss maker throughout the tenure of Peel with no obvious solution to reverse that. But it occupies land which will be worth a lucrative valuation if redeveloped for warehousing and logistics. Peel is first and foremost a property developer. That's the real issue, not Brexit voters.
I'm struggling to understand why the closure of DSA is because of Brexit. Was the airport really that dependent on unemployed people in Romania coming to Lincolnshire to pick crops ? If so, that sounds like an airport with a very flimsy business plan. I don't think Brexit imposed particular difficulties on TUI as they seem to fly from many other UK airports.
I'm not trying to ridicule an argument... I'd just like to see a good and clear explanation of why Brexit was a substantial factor in DSA largely ceasing to be an airport
I'm not trying to ridicule an argument... I'd just like to see a good and clear explanation of why Brexit was a substantial factor in DSA largely ceasing to be an airport
I'm struggling to understand why the closure of DSA is because of Brexit. Was the airport really that dependent on unemployed people in Romania coming to Lincolnshire to pick crops ? If so, that sounds like an airport with a very flimsy business plan. I don't think Brexit imposed particular difficulties on TUI as they seem to fly from many other UK airports.
I'm not trying to ridicule an argument... I'd just like to see a good and clear explanation of why Brexit was a substantial factor in DSA largely ceasing to be an airport
I'm not trying to ridicule an argument... I'd just like to see a good and clear explanation of why Brexit was a substantial factor in DSA largely ceasing to be an airport
Diff Tail Shim - It is most disappointing to note that your counter-argument to my post comes in the form of deplorable racist hate speech. Use of the 'G' word in the context you deploy it is every bit as racist as dropping the 'N' word, and for exactly the same reasons. I'm sure that Lincolnshire farmers will be surprised to learn that they are "Tory gang masters" offering "**** conditions" too.
It is apparent that you are a person driven by hatred and intolerance rather than rational thought processes. You have blown what little credibility you had.
DSA struggled for the reasons I summarised in post 848. I see no reason to engage with you further.
It is apparent that you are a person driven by hatred and intolerance rather than rational thought processes. You have blown what little credibility you had.
DSA struggled for the reasons I summarised in post 848. I see no reason to engage with you further.