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Old 16th Nov 2022, 15:33
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Almost no news since the second offer was put to Peel.

They rejected the first one very quickly.

Hoping for a positive outcome.
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Old 16th Nov 2022, 15:50
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Originally Posted by TimmyW View Post
Almost no news since the second offer was put to Peel.

They rejected the first one very quickly.

Hoping for a positive outcome.
But what kind of outcome would be positive? The PAX operators have moved to pastures new, cargo similarly. Clearly they had no choice, but even if hypothetically a new buyer were found that took over the airport, and reopened to commercial traffic where would the business come from? Are TUI and Wizz going come return? Possibly, but unlikely. If the cargo operators have found they have viable alternatives will they be prepared to come back?

I fear Finningley as a commercial airport is now a dead duck whether or not Peel flog it.
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Old 16th Nov 2022, 15:52
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But what kind of outcome would be positive? The PAX operators have moved to pastures new, cargo similarly. Clearly they had no choice, but even if hypothetically a new buyer were found that took over the airport, and reopened to commercial traffic where would the business come from? Are TUI and Wizz going come return? Possibly, but unlikely. If the cargo operators have found they have viable alternatives will they be prepared to come back?

I fear Finningley as a commercial airport is now a dead duck whether or not Peel flog it.
Who knows. No one knows what has been agreed and what hasn't.

The word from the council and MPs were that TUI would definitely come back if the airport reopened.

Whoever the potential buyers are, it is led to believe they have far deeper pockets than Peel and have experience in the indurstry.

We shall see, however I do share the opinion that it is game over.
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Old 16th Nov 2022, 21:13
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So who are the UAE investors and how will the local authority fund a compulsory purchase order? According to what I read today, expect a 'possible' re-opening in the Spring 2023.
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Old 16th Nov 2022, 21:24
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Originally Posted by Buster the Bear View Post
So who are the UAE investors and how will the local authority fund a compulsory purchase order? According to what I read today, expect a 'possible' re-opening in the Spring 2023.
Itís all subject to NDA apparently so they havenít announced any details. The spring reopening thing was a supposition by Oliver Coppard, that is to say it could open in theory next spring if a bidder is successful in acquiring the site to run as an airport, I donít think heís in the loop to the fine details either.
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Old 16th Nov 2022, 22:32
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Mate of mine phoned me yesterday. 2 Excel have bomb burst out from DSA. HUY, MME and Sywell for the Blades. DSA is a dead ex RAF base now. The Brexit recession will confirm the death. Lots of people voted for it.
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Old 16th Nov 2022, 23:07
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It's a true fact, smell the onions. No hate at all. Teesside lacked investment in the late 90s until the latter days of Peel when the terminal was improved, lighting and ILS but still CAT 1. The current team are hopefully doing their best.

Take a look in the movement records you will see weeks in the winter when Teesside took diversions from Leeds and Newcastle and now nothing as Leeds and Newcastle has the better kit. And did I mention fog closures at Teesside well NO!
Sorry, are you happy with low visibility conditions?
You completely miss my point.... why are you hating on Teesside again.
I know the historical records very well.
You however obviously don't understand what the equipment does! Teesside doesn't really need (cost vs reward) currently anymore than CAT 1 and investing in CAT 2 or better isn't going to magically persuade (visibility) diverts from LBA or NCL if they have the necessary CAT rating to allow landings in adverse conditions.
Basically once NCL and LBA had invested in the equipment it wouldn't really matter what Teesside had, but lets not allow that to get in the way of your Teesside hating agenda!
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Old 17th Nov 2022, 02:14
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Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim View Post
Mate of mine phoned me yesterday. 2 Excel have bomb burst out from DSA. HUY, MME and Sywell for the Blades. DSA is a dead ex RAF base now. The Brexit recession will confirm the death. Lots of people voted for it.
Interesting that you conveniently ignore the crippling cost of COVID ... overwhelmingly the most catastrophic episode afflicting commercial aviation since WW2 ... in order to shift blame to Brexit. Selective memory, perhaps?

Brexit didn't stop customers booking TUI Holidays, and it didn't force out the Wizz Air East European flights - they continue at LBA now. Cargo, 2Excel and specialist operators such as NPAS and HM Coastguard were doing just fine at DSA too.

But by all means deny reality and blame everything on Brexit. The £500Bn bill for coronapanic in the UK has nothing to do with the recession, right? And how about war between Russia and Ukraine which caused fuel prices to spike? No, let's ignore all that and just blame those who exercised their democratic right to vote to leave the EU.

DSA has proven to be a perennial loss maker throughout the tenure of Peel with no obvious solution to reverse that. But it occupies land which will be worth a lucrative valuation if redeveloped for warehousing and logistics. Peel is first and foremost a property developer. That's the real issue, not Brexit voters.
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Old 17th Nov 2022, 06:31
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Interesting that you conveniently ignore the crippling cost of COVID ... overwhelmingly the most catastrophic episode afflicting commercial aviation since WW2 ... in order to shift blame to Brexit. Selective memory, perhaps?
If you scroll back through the Manchester thread you'll find comments about how good a pandemic DSA was having.

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Old 17th Nov 2022, 09:12
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interesting that someone who appears to be Australian living in Australia seems to know just how well BREXIT worked out................... the fact that no politician mentions it now tells you all you need to know. But up to a point it wasn't that that killed DSA- it was just the wrong airport in the wrong place - it was always struggling at the bottom of the pile.

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Old 17th Nov 2022, 10:02
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Perhaps it is time to close this thread and further discussion moved to Aviation History and Nostalgia.
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Old 17th Nov 2022, 10:16
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave View Post
Perhaps it is time to close this thread and further discussion moved to Aviation History and Nostalgia.
You say that, but the Manston thread keeps popping up and it is even less likely to be reopened than DSA.
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Old 17th Nov 2022, 13:05
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Interesting...............

Removal of Doncaster Sheffield Airport airspace Airspace change ID: ACP-2022-082 Current status:PAUSED The CAA has paused this ACP as we have been informed by Doncaster Sheffield Airport (DSA) that the provision of air traffic services for DSA airspace will remain in place until further notice. We will be working with all parties to establish an understanding of the full proposal. Current step: Step 1a Created: 31 October 2022 Last updated: 17 November 2022
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Old 17th Nov 2022, 13:15
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Interesting...............

Removal of Doncaster Sheffield Airport airspace Airspace change ID: ACP-2022-082 Current status:PAUSED The CAA has paused this ACP as we have been informed by Doncaster Sheffield Airport (DSA) that the provision of air traffic services for DSA airspace will remain in place until further notice. We will be working with all parties to establish an understanding of the full proposal. Current step: Step 1a Created: 31 October 2022 Last updated: 17 November 2022
Dont they have a legal agreement in place with DMBC that they will not formally close the airport until the end of November?

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Old 17th Nov 2022, 16:54
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB View Post
If you scroll back through the Manchester thread you'll find comments about how good a pandemic DSA was having.
IIRC, that debate related to PPE cargo charters, not general operations or overall profitability. All of our commercial airports lost a fortune back then ... a "good pandemic" means a small offset to the otherwise inevitable humungous losses.

QUOTE: interesting that someone who appears to be Australian living in Australia seems to know just how well BREXIT worked out.

Obviously, the concept of air travel is new to you? We're not all rooted to the spot! And both the UK and Australia enjoy internet access for keeping up with the news. As do the many other countries which I visit.

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Old 17th Nov 2022, 20:21
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Originally Posted by DC3 Dave View Post
Perhaps it is time to close this thread and further discussion moved to Aviation History and Nostalgia.
Why? At the moment the airport is still open, Controllers, Operational Staff, and Fire Crew are still employed. Let's see what happens before we write the thread off.
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Old 17th Nov 2022, 20:56
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Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn View Post
Interesting that you conveniently ignore the crippling cost of COVID ... overwhelmingly the most catastrophic episode afflicting commercial aviation since WW2 ... in order to shift blame to Brexit. Selective memory, perhaps?

Brexit didn't stop customers booking TUI Holidays, and it didn't force out the Wizz Air East European flights - they continue at LBA now. Cargo, 2Excel and specialist operators such as NPAS and HM Coastguard were doing just fine at DSA too.

But by all means deny reality and blame everything on Brexit. The £500Bn bill for coronapanic in the UK has nothing to do with the recession, right? And how about war between Russia and Ukraine which caused fuel prices to spike? No, let's ignore all that and just blame those who exercised their democratic right to vote to leave the EU.

DSA has proven to be a perennial loss maker throughout the tenure of Peel with no obvious solution to reverse that. But it occupies land which will be worth a lucrative valuation if redeveloped for warehousing and logistics. Peel is first and foremost a property developer. That's the real issue, not Brexit voters.
Do mention the Gammons as Covid and UKR have just pushed the end game of Brexit faster forward that it would have done otherwise. Amazingly a lot of people working at DSA I know voted for it. They are the ones having to relocate.
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Old 17th Nov 2022, 22:23
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I'm struggling to understand why the closure of DSA is because of Brexit. Was the airport really that dependent on unemployed people in Romania coming to Lincolnshire to pick crops ? If so, that sounds like an airport with a very flimsy business plan. I don't think Brexit imposed particular difficulties on TUI as they seem to fly from many other UK airports.
I'm not trying to ridicule an argument... I'd just like to see a good and clear explanation of why Brexit was a substantial factor in DSA largely ceasing to be an airport
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Old 17th Nov 2022, 22:38
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 View Post
I'm struggling to understand why the closure of DSA is because of Brexit. Was the airport really that dependent on unemployed people in Romania coming to Lincolnshire to pick crops ? If so, that sounds like an airport with a very flimsy business plan. I don't think Brexit imposed particular difficulties on TUI as they seem to fly from many other UK airports.

I'm not trying to ridicule an argument... I'd just like to see a good and clear explanation of why Brexit was a substantial factor in DSA largely ceasing to be an airport
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I'm struggling to understand why the closure of DSA is because of Brexit. Was the airport really that dependent on unemployed people in Romania coming to Lincolnshire to pick crops ?
You mean people coming to the UK to do tasks needed to be done in Lincolnshire as 1/. Most of the population there are either too old to work the fields 2/. Not wanting to work in the shit conditions offered by the Tory gang masters 3/. Have too many common Genes that one finds if you have spent some time in that county that puts year by year RTA death rates on trunk road signs. 34 last year and 37 this. WIZZ sodded off as their business in the area was chopped off by the Gams. Lots of Gams lost their jobs. Lesson learned.
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Old 17th Nov 2022, 23:17
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Diff Tail Shim - It is most disappointing to note that your counter-argument to my post comes in the form of deplorable racist hate speech. Use of the 'G' word in the context you deploy it is every bit as racist as dropping the 'N' word, and for exactly the same reasons. I'm sure that Lincolnshire farmers will be surprised to learn that they are "Tory gang masters" offering "shit conditions" too.

It is apparent that you are a person driven by hatred and intolerance rather than rational thought processes. You have blown what little credibility you had.

DSA struggled for the reasons I summarised in post 848. I see no reason to engage with you further.
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