Qantas SH EBA negotiations
Most of us are home buyers, all of us ‘working people’. Despite the offical CPI since May 2022 10.9% the ABS has the inflation rate at 19.3% for working people. I’d imagine before May 2022 it would have been similar as well. When you look at the price of milk/bread/vegetables etc they have increased far more than 10% in the last few years. These are the most relevant figures for the upcoming short and long haul EBAs. An initial 20% is not a pay rise it’s just keeping up with actual inflation over last couple of years. Well even then probably not even keeping up in reality but a start.
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/f...01-p5fo2b.html
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/f...01-p5fo2b.html
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Is AIPA’s short haul update a joke?!
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It definitely made me laugh…
AFAP seeking a proper pay rise vs AIPA accepting a 2 year pay freeze.
How is 9% (11.5% if you consider “moving up a year level” a pay rise) over the agreement acceptable?
Remind me what last years inflation was again.
9% is a pay cut and a kick in the face.
AFAP seeking a proper pay rise vs AIPA accepting a 2 year pay freeze.
How is 9% (11.5% if you consider “moving up a year level” a pay rise) over the agreement acceptable?
Remind me what last years inflation was again.
9% is a pay cut and a kick in the face.
Last edited by transition_alt; 16th May 2024 at 01:28.
Bye bye AIPA. I gave you over 20 years and most of you burnt the pilot group and feathered your own nest.
AFAP for me, AIPA is too corrupted…or weak…or both
AFAP for me, AIPA is too corrupted…or weak…or both
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You are missing the part where pilots will get paid for reserves for the first time in SH, pattern protection 48hrs out, minimum duty hour payment, increased MGH, minimum credits for AV day roster changes.
All those changes will put dollars in pilots pockets and the company aren’t giving them up because they have had a change of heart.
AFAP can request whatever they want but if they can’t negotiate it into an offer from the company then it is just empty words.
All those changes will put dollars in pilots pockets and the company aren’t giving them up because they have had a change of heart.
AFAP can request whatever they want but if they can’t negotiate it into an offer from the company then it is just empty words.
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You are missing the part where pilots will get paid for reserves for the first time in SH, pattern protection 48hrs out, minimum duty hour payment, increased MGH, minimum credits for AV day roster changes.
All those changes will put dollars in pilots pockets and the company aren’t giving them up because they have had a change of heart.
AFAP can request whatever they want but if they can’t negotiate it into an offer from the company then it is just empty words.
All those changes will put dollars in pilots pockets and the company aren’t giving them up because they have had a change of heart.
AFAP can request whatever they want but if they can’t negotiate it into an offer from the company then it is just empty words.
Here’s what I’m not understanding and this is where I personally feel the unions need to tread carefully.
An increase in MGH is good. But no one has mentioned the pay scales.
The EBA states the pay tables are for 53:24 of work in 28 days. Anything above is the standard hourly rate.
Nothing has been discussed as to how the pay clause is going to be changed. Are they going to directly change 53:24 to 60 (for example)? This will result in an effective pay cut for more minimum work.
Any increase in MGH must result in an increase in base pay. But as AIPA has it, there’ll be more flying being done, for less pay AND a 2 year pay freeze…
Here’s what I’m not understanding and this is where I personally feel the unions need to tread carefully.
An increase in MGH is good. But no one has mentioned the pay scales.
The EBA states the pay tables are for 53:24 of work in 28 days. Anything above is the standard hourly rate.
Nothing has been discussed as to how the pay clause is going to be changed. Are they going to directly change 53:24 to 60 (for example)? This will result in an effective pay cut for more minimum work.
Any increase in MGH must result in an increase in base pay. But as AIPA has it, there’ll be more flying being done, for less pay AND a 2 year pay freeze…
An increase in MGH is good. But no one has mentioned the pay scales.
The EBA states the pay tables are for 53:24 of work in 28 days. Anything above is the standard hourly rate.
Nothing has been discussed as to how the pay clause is going to be changed. Are they going to directly change 53:24 to 60 (for example)? This will result in an effective pay cut for more minimum work.
Any increase in MGH must result in an increase in base pay. But as AIPA has it, there’ll be more flying being done, for less pay AND a 2 year pay freeze…
I read it as both hours and salary increasing so the hourly rate would be preserved. Otherwise that element would have been listed under ‘offsets’. I also think the vast majority of pilots understand what an increase MGH means.
I think you’re jumping at shadows.
May I also remind you that the company haven’t agreed to any of those items mentioned.
Here’s what I’m not understanding and this is where I personally feel the unions need to tread carefully.
An increase in MGH is good. But no one has mentioned the pay scales.
The EBA states the pay tables are for 53:24 of work in 28 days. Anything above is the standard hourly rate.
Nothing has been discussed as to how the pay clause is going to be changed. Are they going to directly change 53:24 to 60 (for example)? This will result in an effective pay cut for more minimum work.
Any increase in MGH must result in an increase in base pay. But as AIPA has it, there’ll be more flying being done, for less pay AND a 2 year pay freeze…
Here’s what I’m not understanding and this is where I personally feel the unions need to tread carefully.
An increase in MGH is good. But no one has mentioned the pay scales.
The EBA states the pay tables are for 53:24 of work in 28 days. Anything above is the standard hourly rate.
Nothing has been discussed as to how the pay clause is going to be changed. Are they going to directly change 53:24 to 60 (for example)? This will result in an effective pay cut for more minimum work.
Any increase in MGH must result in an increase in base pay. But as AIPA has it, there’ll be more flying being done, for less pay AND a 2 year pay freeze…
Meanwhile management continue to take record salaries while telling us to take more cuts.
we keep the place alive, while they burn it to the ground.
Mismanagement on display across the business.
PIA now. Tell QF and AIPA enough
If you honestly believe that AIPA is advocating an increase to MGH without a commensurate increase in salary to maintain the hourly rate, email or call a rep.
I read it as both increasing so the hourly rate would preserved. Otherwise that element would have been listed under ‘offsets’. I also think the vast majority of pilots understand what an increase MGH means.
I think you’re jumping at shadows.
I read it as both increasing so the hourly rate would preserved. Otherwise that element would have been listed under ‘offsets’. I also think the vast majority of pilots understand what an increase MGH means.
I think you’re jumping at shadows.
It has just not been mentioned from anyone what this MGH increase entails. The latest update simply states “Increased MGH.” I’m hoping there hasn’t been a gross oversight given the companies immediate willing acceptance.
The increase MGH will come with an increase in annual salary….. and also super for those in early schemes.
Give AIPA a call and they’ll go through the detail if you are worried about what’s been released.
They have the initial pay increase costed at a percentage including the total package or changes…. It’s much higher that the headline rate and comes with significant lifestyle protections.
There is still a way to go to get an acceptable agreements but QF IR is always a marathon and not a sprint
Give AIPA a call and they’ll go through the detail if you are worried about what’s been released.
They have the initial pay increase costed at a percentage including the total package or changes…. It’s much higher that the headline rate and comes with significant lifestyle protections.
There is still a way to go to get an acceptable agreements but QF IR is always a marathon and not a sprint
I’ve personally spoken to the negotiators and the MGH increase is definitely not going to cause a reduction in the hourly rate. They are quite across the relationship between MGH/salary/hourly rate.
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Probably can’t, as they are likely not members, and are only receiving the info through friends, which is why the delay in Gas Chambers post on Pprune about it this morning, as the email was sent to members yesterday. Pretending to be outraged AIPA members and “taking their business to the AFAP” types.
there seems to be lots of hidden money in it, but as the email says most of the detail is still to be negotiated, so I’ll reserve judgement.
there seems to be lots of hidden money in it, but as the email says most of the detail is still to be negotiated, so I’ll reserve judgement.
Some seem to forget that…
… nothing is agreed,
… everything is still being negotiated,
… a ‘log of claims’ is, in isolation, nothing to crow about,
… if agreement is or is not reached, something will be, in the end, put to the pilots who will then get a vote to indicate if it is acceptable, and
… the majority will win the day.
Democracy… for the vocal detractors.🙄
… everything is still being negotiated,
… a ‘log of claims’ is, in isolation, nothing to crow about,
… if agreement is or is not reached, something will be, in the end, put to the pilots who will then get a vote to indicate if it is acceptable, and
… the majority will win the day.
Democracy… for the vocal detractors.🙄
Everyone here is arguing over scraps while EK crew get a bonus of 20 weeks pay, SQ get 8 months bonus….
Yeah, AIPA getting pilots paid for reserves duties is a win for QF and you are all making progress against the system.
Qantas is not longer the good job it was once, SOs now have two jobs to make ends meet while flying for the national carrier. All that’s needed for total chaos is for a real airline that respects its workers enough to look after them open an AUS base.
Something, something chickens, roosting.
Yeah, AIPA getting pilots paid for reserves duties is a win for QF and you are all making progress against the system.
Qantas is not longer the good job it was once, SOs now have two jobs to make ends meet while flying for the national carrier. All that’s needed for total chaos is for a real airline that respects its workers enough to look after them open an AUS base.
Something, something chickens, roosting.
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Gas chamber needs to go and talk to some older virgin crew and ask how they feel like afap’s representation.
a different perspective.
The stark reality is qantas controls the lot. Show me an actual afap result and perhaps some of the arguments would hold merit.
a different perspective.
The stark reality is qantas controls the lot. Show me an actual afap result and perhaps some of the arguments would hold merit.
you’re all fighting for scraps now and have totally lost perspective.
AIPA has sold out an entire generation of pilots. I’m utterly shocked this is the best they can come up with.
NS was a literal cancer.
this career is dead as far as I’m concerned.
wake up sheep.
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at least they have some courage, conviction and call it as it is.
you’re all fighting for scraps now and have totally lost perspective.
AIPA has sold out an entire generation of pilots. I’m utterly shocked this is the best they can come up with.
NS was a literal cancer.
this career is dead as far as I’m concerned.
wake up sheep.
you’re all fighting for scraps now and have totally lost perspective.
AIPA has sold out an entire generation of pilots. I’m utterly shocked this is the best they can come up with.
NS was a literal cancer.
this career is dead as far as I’m concerned.
wake up sheep.
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Probably can’t, as they are likely not members, and are only receiving the info through friends, which is why the delay in Gas Chambers post on Pprune about it this morning, as the email was sent to members yesterday. Pretending to be outraged AIPA members and “taking their business to the AFAP” types.
there seems to be lots of hidden money in it, but as the email says most of the detail is still to be negotiated, so I’ll reserve judgement.
there seems to be lots of hidden money in it, but as the email says most of the detail is still to be negotiated, so I’ll reserve judgement.
nothing of substance really.
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